|
|
Post by dan on Jan 16, 2012 16:05:25 GMT -7
The OM forum....?
TBMK, the OM forum was only ever about the people so involved. The legacy posts may be of interest to some. Mine are to me. I can only speak to my own legacy. I cannot speak to the former participants. I am loyal, but I am loyal mainly to our common destiny..... less so to our diverse pasts.
.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cyrellys on Jan 16, 2012 16:17:57 GMT -7
The OM forum....? TBMK, the OM forum was only ever about the people so involved. The legacy posts may be of interest to some. Mine are to me. I can only speak to my own legacy. I cannot speak to the former participants. I am loyal, but I am loyal mainly to our common destiny. The OMF forum was preserved in at least two possibly three ways that I'm aware of Dan, there should be very little loss for anyone. It is only the manner of renewal that is in question. Jake & Bren are working on it. Lol, I was actually wondering myself, with humor, if emailing a 1gig file would prove the existance of gaskets in satellites....something mechanical choking up there in the outer atmosphere. I've never contemplated it myself but I've locked up my computer with the occasional photo. Cy |
|
|
|
Post by Jake Reason on Jan 16, 2012 16:20:51 GMT -7
Jake, Resurrection of OMF..? I don't presently see that as possible. If TOP wishes it, then fine. I'm not aware that they do so wish. I'm not understanding what you mean. It appears to me that they are enjoying and are quite busy with their new forum. By "resurrection" I simply mean reinstatement to on-line viewing for the benefit of the wider community. With refreshed staff. |
|
|
|
Post by Cyrellys on Jan 16, 2012 16:25:22 GMT -7
@ Jake, most members and I think Dan included were unaware a copy of the forum was made for it's safety. Or that reinstatement efforts were underway. This is the first we've really openly mentioned it.
Cy
|
|
|
|
Post by dan on Jan 16, 2012 16:29:11 GMT -7
Cy,
I place my legacy in the hands of you, Jake and Bren. I place my future in the hands of God, not to be too trite, and with the full understanding that the four of us are integral components of said deity.
|
|
|
|
Post by dan on Jan 16, 2012 16:40:27 GMT -7
Jake,
Online viewing benefit is fine with me. Viewership/eyeballs is quite another matter.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jake Reason on Jan 16, 2012 17:03:08 GMT -7
Jake, Online viewing benefit is fine with me. And with me. OMF is library of sorts. Containing a wealth of virtual books with many chapters. For posterity sake, it would be of value, if readable for as long as Proboards is serving the net. ? |
|
|
|
Post by dan on Jan 16, 2012 17:21:22 GMT -7
Viewership.....?
We universalists are most concerned with the hundredth sheep that might be straying......
|
|
|
|
Post by Cyrellys on Jan 16, 2012 17:21:55 GMT -7
The other question that may need to be resolved here, from the looks of your comments, is does the Community wish to return to being the Black Swan? Does the Community want to go back to work as the vehicle to present OPPORTUNITY to the many parties to interact, communicate and explore with each other?
|
|
|
|
Post by dan on Jan 16, 2012 18:04:04 GMT -7
Cy,
I have 18 hours in a day to contribute to Disclosure...... just point me in the right direction..... please.....
|
|
|
|
Post by dan on Jan 17, 2012 10:04:47 GMT -7
It's less than a day until my meeting with Danny O' at Grace. I have been doing a painful survey of my situation. The suspension of OMF is a significant part of it, although more from a symbolic rather than a substantive POV.
In brief, I seem to be left with only this one option, namely Danny. If he were a gambling man, which he isn't, what odds would he take on my being Jesus, or whatever? The obvious costs of lending any support to my quixotic cause are, on the face of it, far greater than any benefits that might be conceivable to him.
Where does this leave me, other than up a long creek, without a paddle? Have I not finally run out of options? Can I take my marbles and go home, at last? Should not Ron hand me my pink slip and/or my golden parachute?
I can only explain to him why I have spent almost a year attempting to get my foot in the door with the Search for Answers ministry, which meets across the hall from his office, each Sunday. The more I have pushed, the greater has been the resistance. I have, in desperation, pushed to the point that both Bill S. and pastor JP have threatened to call the police.
I can request that Danny assign to me an interlocutor to hear my case. After sufficient conversation we would submit independent reports to the Elders of Grace. In the meantime I would continue to press my case with the SfA group, each Sunday. They may come to decide that their best course of action is to suspend their meetings.
If no better possibility comes along, I'll be resigned to being a permanent burr in their saddle. Hardly an inspiring outcome....!
The Christian evangelicals come closer to embracing the tenets of the BPWH, than does any other group of which I am aware. So near, yet so far.....
Well..... I should say, here, that there is one other possibility.... That is to try another philosophy forum. I can give this some more thought, once I have a better fix on GFC. But, relative to OMF, I don't see any obvious advantages, nonetheless, it is a stone that I cannot leave unturned. My original, abortive attempt, last spring did offer a brief promise, let us not forget.
(cont.)
|
|
|
|
Post by Cyrellys on Jan 17, 2012 11:19:34 GMT -7
It's less than a day until my meeting with Danny O' at Grace. I have been doing a painful survey of my situation. The suspension of OMF is a significant part of it, although more from a symbolic rather than a substantive POV. In brief, I seem to be left with only this one option, namely Danny. If he were a gambling man, which he isn't, what odds would he take on my being Jesus, or whatever? The obvious costs of lending any support to my quixotic cause are, on the face of it, far greater than any benefits that might be conceivable to him. Where does this leave me, other than up a long creek, without a paddle? Have I not finally run out of options? Can I take my marbles and go home, at last? Should not Ron hand me my pink slip and/or my golden parachute? I can only explain to him why I have spent almost a year attempting to get my foot in the door with the Search for Answers ministry, which meets across the hall from his office, each Sunday. The more I have pushed, the greater has been the resistance. I have, in desperation, pushed to the point that both Bill S. and pastor JP have threatened to call the police. I can request that Danny assign to me an interlocutor to hear my case. After sufficient conversation we would submit independent reports to the Elders of Grace. In the meantime I would continue to press my case with the SfA group, each Sunday. They may come to decide that their best course of action is to suspend their meetings. If no better possibility comes along, I'll be resigned to being a permanent burr in their saddle. Hardly an inspiring outcome....! The Christian evangelicals come closer to embracing the tenets of the BPWH, than does any other group of which I am aware. So near, yet so far..... Well..... I should say, here, that there is one other possibility.... That is to try another philosophy forum. I can give this some more thought, once I have a better fix on GFC. But, relative to OMF, I don't see any obvious advantages, nonetheless, it is a stone that I cannot leave unturned. My original, abortive attempt, last spring did offer a brief promise, let us not forget. (cont.) Good Morning Dan, If I my interject here a small moment? You are attempting to make connections and include these individuals in your expression of being and perception. To intervene in their own explorations and efforts. And you are meeting resistance. Discomfort on their part which you see as resistance. Could it be that the problem is the intervention? Individual exploration within a paradigm of which there are many facets must recognize that all are contributors and participants...that each have value on all levels. When someone, anyone attempts intervention vs mutual participation we bring into the interaction an element of dissonance. As the interloper you may find greater compatibility in sharing your elected expression of being by simply being the expression to be discovered in their time rather than your own. Simply join in their story and allow them to choose the course of evolution...this is empowerment rather than intervention...it is expression by example rather than force. Remove the force then allow that absence to empower and respect free will and I do believe you will find a more harmonious outcome. Cyrellys edit to fix a mistype. |
|
|
|
Post by dan on Jan 17, 2012 16:42:35 GMT -7
Cy,
Thank you for these very thoughtful comments.
Well, the notion of the messianic intervention has been around since the beginning, in all traditions, in one form or another, and nowhere more strongly than in the evangelical movement.
If I do recall, Cy, you have been a strong proponent of Disclosure. Perhaps you have come to recognize the perils of such an intervention. All I have been suggesting, with the BPWH, is that God and/or the Federation have, indeed, taken your excellent advice concerning non-intervention.
Nonetheless, the nearly universal expectations of a messianic intervention have become embedded in the human psyche. And I point out to you that these expectations are nowhere stronger that they are, right here, in our very own, UFO, community. Most of us pray daily for an ET intervention.
My sister, Louise, thinks of Christians as being sheeple. We are allowing ourselves to be pulled around by our noses. We too readily defer to authorities of all stripes. I'm sure that you can sympathize with Louise.
Well, are there any social animals that do not have a herd instinct? It's virtually a matter of definition. Could we conceivably have been otherwise? Many abductees feel a revulsion toward the hive-like behavior of their abductors.
BTW, this is what paradigms are about. They are a paradigmatic example of a collective mind-set. Whichever ones we may subscribe to, thereby do we so participate. It is often the case that we are not even aware of many of the paradigms that we embrace, on a daily basis. We cannot use language without subscribing to the innumerable paradigms embedded in every word thereof.
Language evolves. Our thinking evolves, as you point out. It has long been recognized that no form of evolution is entirely continuous. There are micro and macro steps, quantum leaps, if you will.
(cont.)
|
|
rpm
Full Member
Posts: 11
|
Post by rpm on Jan 17, 2012 16:59:30 GMT -7
I think that Cyrellys makes a very valid point wrt your position as interloper, or perhaps 'new character' in the SfA/GFC story thus far. But the urgency you perceive (IMO rightly) regarding the BPWH and its dissemination means you might not be receptive to her advice.
A while back you made what I thought was a very compelling point drawing a parallel between how people feel and speak about 'flying saucers/ufos/lights in the sky' and sex. That particularly in the west, there is both a titillation factor and a taboo. Our media seems fascinated with each topic but only on a very superficial level (ie the nuts and bolts, which as I type, looks more suggestive/apropos than I had previously considered) But paradoxically there is the skittishness, in that each topic is also easy to dismiss, too easy.... for some reason.
Is there someway you can use this to acknowledge the difficulty in your position with the SfA, in trying to get your point across. That you recognize the resistance you encounter is fundamentally not because you are seen as a mad prophet, but something inextricably rooted in the core of our selves.
Because the 'lights in the sky' issue is also the eschatological issue in the BPWH. The parallels follow, look at our current society's fascination with end of the world scenarios, but its refusal to take the idea seriously. Screen catastrophies titilate, but ecological disasters bore. 2012 means mayan doom to alot of people, but few people know or care that magnetic north is on the move and picking up speed.
I'm praying for you Dan, because I am really not sure how or what to advise.
|
|
|
|
Post by dan on Jan 17, 2012 17:31:38 GMT -7
rpm,
Ofttimes, prayer seems to be our only recourse, especially at critical points in our lives.
With the development of language, evolution takes on a warp-drive. Our genetic inheritance is left eating the dust of our suddenly empowered minds.
With all of this going for us, why should we need gods, ET's or messiahs? But isn't that a bit like asking why did we need Newton or Shakespeare? Maybe we didn't. Maybe they were just glory hounds? Or, perhaps, they were just an inevitable/unavoidable part of the larger process.
TBMK, no one ever threatened to arrest Newton or Shakespear, so clearly I must have gotten some wires crossed. If I'm so smart, why don't I write a book and get on the Jon Stewart show? More than a few have suggested this. If Danny is smart, he will, too. Well, somewhere along the line, God shortchanged me in the patience department. Dang, her!
We are also political animals. We have a compulsion to get out and press the flesh, to get a realtime, human response. Otherwise, I'm as far from being a political animal as one could imagine. What makes any of us tick is a surpassing mystery, have no doubt.
Finally, though, I think it comes down to the simple notion of a fulcrum..... as in, give me a fulcrum, and I'll move the world. It's simple mechanics, in the end. Dang me, if I'm not a wannabe fulcrum. Or, how about a lightning rod, say I, kite in hand....
I'm simply impatient and irrepressible..... so, ok, call the cops! See where that gets us. I can hardly wait to see that one...!
Inevitably we all have to throw ourselves on the good graces of someone. Paradoxically, ironically, I threw myself on the good graces, tender mercies of the CIA. I've tried that with academia, but it was like throwing ping-pong balls at the wall..... nothing sticks.
Now, it's the good graces of Grace...... Anyone for peanut butter on the ceiling?
.
|
|
