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Post by dan on Feb 10, 2012 8:48:46 GMT -7
Yes, personhood continues to be the crux of the matter, both ontologically and politically. With this one pivotal issue, personhood, Christians can, and will, conquer the world. The person who, historically, leads this conquest will truly have completed the messianic claims of the prophetic tradition. This Conquest will necessarily be eschatological, at heart. Why eschatological.....? A1.) The issue of personhood will be seen as the key component of the MoAPS, which, in turn, will be seen as the best possible fulfillment of the expected Revelation/Apocalypse. A2.) The biblical Revelation makes sense only as a prelude to a final Rapture event. It's that simple. Why is the notion of personhood peculiar to Christianity.....? B1.) Just look at the wiki entry..... Christians invented the concept, basing it essentially on the divine personhood of Jesus. B2.) Need we say more....? And, finally, we come back to Chicken Little.... Why me, Lord.....? C1.) Why not? Am I chicken? Am I crazy? C2.) Chistianity provides the only rational response to the extreme irrationality of postmodernism. Postmodernism has everything to do with the perceived end of material progress. C3.) The end of material progress is well in sight... Energy scarcity looms. The remaining material progress will mainly involve the completion of the global noosphere/network. C4.) Timing is the critical remaining issue.... I focus mainly on the financial system. Financial panic could easily trigger the Tribulation. My mission is mainly to avoid the Tribulation. To what degree the hidden-hand is in control of the credit market will determine how much risk we might incur in a game of divine brinksmanship. Me? I'm just chicken little. Allow me, then, to expand on A1&2...... (cont.) |
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Post by Jake Reason on Feb 10, 2012 9:42:50 GMT -7
Here is a recap and update of the metaphysics or ontology of the BPWH...... There is just one Soul of sapience. This fact brings us back to the Cartesian dilemma of ensouling the other creatures. Mechanizing them is just the wrong move. It was the move that launched the nascent Science onto its fruitful but dead-end path of reductionism. I'm inclined to distinguish between forms and Soul. We could even say 'inspirited' forms, if that makes any sense. And I'm also thinking of the world Soul, the Anima Mundi. We are that. The inspirited forms are peripheral, thereto. Do mountains and/or atoms have spirits? Not sure, but atoms are surely formal, in their mathematical essence. The essence of the BPWH is its monism. It emphatically eschews Cartesian dualism. In particular, perception is direct. In effect, we are directly perceiving God's ideas. Ideas are directly shared or shareable. Memories need not be less direct that perceptions. The world consists of our shared memories. Our memories are the Telos of the world. Creation is mainly teleological. It is admittedly a stretch, but our dreams are also thought to display a teleological aspect, such as when waking to an external stimulus, with that stimulus being logically embedded in a complex dream sequence. So might end our slumber of materialism!? This provides a radical, and minimally theological, explanation for the Anthropic principle.... we, collectively, being the retrospecting creators of our own world. How might teleology be employed to explain calamities? Who, in their right mind, would wish to retrospect an earthquake? Clearly, it's not a question of wish fulfillment. Wishing is a purely prospective and individual affect. Shakespeare writes a tragedy. We pay good money to see it. We may vicariously suffer with the characters, if not the actors. Tragedy cleanses the soul, or so it is said. The world soul is cleansed in calamity, as might be rationalized in this BPWH. In real life, we go to great lengths to avoid tragedy, and pray that, if necessary, they befall the other guy.... not me, Lord, please, not me! In the end, the undivided World Soul pays the piper, and we, pearls on that necklace, dance to the tune. Thank God that only our hindsight is 20/20! We do adjust, within the overpowering solidarity. I suspect that pain is rather more democratic than is generally acknowledged, as is love. Prove me wrong...! And give me some credit for trying. So we can take credit for the good things, and blame the bad stuff on God. Hey, it was just an act of God! Fair enough? And we try to keep in mind that all's well that ends well. Sure, the world is more like a great thought than a great machine. OTOH, sticks and stones break my bones..... Tell the guy who fell off the ladder that the cement floor was a great thought! But what if the floor hadn't been there? That would not be such a great thought, either. The best imaginable world and the best possible world may not be totally congruent, unfortunately for the guy bouncing off the floor. So where's the payoff? When do we get to cash-in our chips? I suspect they all go into the Big Kitty in the sky, or is that God's slush fund? It rains on the sinners, as well as on the righteous? That's kinda what Jesus was trying to tell us, when he wasn't telling the Pharisees to go to hell. Amen to that, J-man! Keep in mind that the BPWH is just my exhaustive prayer. It's almost as good as saying the Rosary, I'll bet. We are the braincells of God. We hope he doesn't get a headache. Hey, this has only been an extended tuneup. We're just waiting for the Maestro to get off his duff. We hope he didn't break his magical baton, while out on his sabbatical. Will it be like a condo in Florida? What if we're not on the ocean side? I have the manager's phone number, right here in my pocket....... In one foul swoop, you are obliterating any value or purpose in living a virtuous life. How can you rationalize that God would deem virtue as meaningless? You further nullify all teachings of Y'shua/'Jesus'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parables_of_JesusWhy do you so despise Christ's wisdom? |
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Post by dan on Feb 10, 2012 10:08:03 GMT -7
Jake, You emphatically point to what remains as the crux of the difference between the BPWH and the evangelical community..... Sola fide! Ooops.... No! You are pointing rather to Justification..... Yes? Justification, it turns out, is the crux of the dispute between Protestants and Catholics. Yes? In emphasizing the notion of "virtuous living", you seem to be siding with the Catholic doctrine. No? A closely related notion is that of righteousness. Why don't we take a look at that..... (cont.) |
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Post by Jake Reason on Feb 10, 2012 10:51:20 GMT -7
Jake, You emphatically point to what remains as the crux of the difference between the BPWH and the evangelical community..... Sola fide! Ooops.... No! You are pointing rather to Justification..... Yes? No, on both counts. The 1st question is contextually universal. I am not arguing any contemporary theological view. Again....In one foul swoop, you are obliterating any value or purpose in living a virtuous life. "How can you rationalize that God would deem virtue as meaningless?"------------------------------- The 2nd question is also simply as stated. I am not arguing any contemporary theological view. 'Y'shua/'Jesus' was an historical teacher of life, God, and the hereafter. (as expressed in his parables). Click on the link, read them all. You'll find that regardless of any religious perspective, your hypothesized & proselytized views contradict his teachings. You therefore nullify his teaching as void of any ultimate meaning. You ridicule him. So, it's a perfectly rational question to ask. I'll rewrite it, as I imparted my own views into the question by defining his teaching as "wisdom", and referring to him as a "Christ". So I'll remove these from the question.... Why do you despise 'Jesus' teachings?------------------------- A 3rd question would naturally follow as to; Why you would even bother incorporating "Jesus" in your religious teaching about your view of God, when you are emphatically opposed to 'Jesus' teachings of his God?This doesn't make any sense. It's irrational & incoherent. And therefore the question is reasonable from any ones point of view, regardless of a questioners philosophical or religious position, even from an atheist. -------------------------- If you don't wish to honestly answer any of these questions on record, I'll be disappointed, but will understand your failings. You know that in order to remain consciously coherent, you'll have to answer these someday, even if only to the mirror on the wall. |
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Post by dan on Feb 10, 2012 13:20:28 GMT -7
Jake,
According to the BPWH, everything is meaningful, and everything meaningful is eternal.
That you are a conscientious Christian is meaningful, and is, therefore, eternal.
Have I ever said anything that would appear to contradict this obvious truth?
You seem to suppose that the fact of my universalism tends to devalue your being a conscientious Christian. Just as a matter of logic, your conclusion does not follow from my premise.
My basic premise is that every life is of infinite value. That would include your life, and it would also include the life of Adolph Hitler. Is that a fair statement?
Or, allow me to rephrase that..... The life of Satan is of infinite value. No?
Hereby, I'm alluding to Felix Culpa, felicitous sin. This refers primarily to the disobedience of Adam and Eve, which led to their expulsion from the Garden.
Why was that felicitous? Had it not been for that Original Sin..... well, here is St Augustine.... Yes, Jake, were it not for that Sin, you would not be a Christian, and your righteous living would be of no worth.
(cont.)
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Post by Jake Reason on Feb 10, 2012 13:39:19 GMT -7
With regards to your presumption that I was asking these questions from the perspective of Evangelical, Protestant or Catholic, Christian theology;
I have come to face the man in the mirror and realize that I can no longer honestly nor accurately depict myself as an Evangelical or Protestant Christian. These past 6 years have broadened my understanding of the depth & breath of the Cosmos, and all that may be therein. And these labels can no longer effectively describe my theism. I'm certainly still ecumenical, though. And I remain a Creationist. But not as generally accepted & defined by the contemporary organized Religions, or Sciences.
I may very well be the first person to put these two following words together, to depict a new theism..... I could be adequately classed as an Exopolitical Christian.
I've never seen nor heard anyone say or write "Exopolitcal Christianity". And I am quite confident I would have heard or seen it, if it had ever been said before.
It appears as I write, that these past 6 years have now crystallized. And I've just dawned on the title for a new book.
I've followed and learned of virtually every Christian theological perspective, both historically and contemporary. Concurrently with following every Christian religious, biblical & theological perspective concerning the Visitors. And I have not to date, come across anyone who has yet been able to coherently rationalize a thorough and all encompassing harmonization of Christianity & Exopolitics.
That 'apologetic' only exists in the hearts & minds of millions of people at the moment. It's still puzzling to most, but they know the picture is almost clear enough to see. Perhaps it's time has come, to write what millions are already thinking, but don't know how to say it.
Hmmm, for now I'll let my sabbatical do it's charm. The Spirit will know what to do.
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Post by Cyrellys on Feb 10, 2012 13:59:56 GMT -7
Dan, you only have the foundation there. I agree that all life is of infinite value and of infinite potential. I've said this often enough. But you are skirting what Jake was asking about the virtuous life and the miriad teachings around the world if you wish to be universal about virtue. The closest meaning to virtue in the old tradition is "excellence". It is Virtue/Excellence and our relative relationship to it in our lives that moves us from simple celled lifeforms to paths of evolution. It is through this Virtue/Excellence that we develop our character that comprises our Nature. You are back ruminating on the fundamentals of being but are skirting recognizing the part Virtuous Living/The Pursuit of Excellence plays in this. In this I do believe Jake is at the very least five leaps ahead of you.
Take your posts here...And pray tell where are the great minds of Jason Group? Drag their mangy asses in here to stand accounted for their part in the machinations that threaten this world. They stand silently by whilst leadership based here and in Britain are preparing to destroy a conscious living organism that supports ALL life on this world just so they can reduce the population and gain greater control...and you speak of it with so much disdain or disregard. I have great concern in this. There is no greater subject. Do you seriously believe the Universal Source will allow you home if you do such a thing? No. It will marr the people of this planet for probably an eternity if you succeed in it. And it WILL remove you from your Potential.
A True Human is a culmination of many things which comprise the character, the Nature, of a Person. It is not simply because we participate in the revolution of lifetimes and are part of a universal effort manifesting meaning. It is the part that we are uniquely and individually responsible for.
RESPECTING THE TRUE HUMAN:52
The three highest causes of the true human are: Truth, honor, and duty.
The three manifestations of the true human are: civility, generosity, and compassion.
RESPECTING THE REWARDS OF EXCELLENCE:
There are three things which the happy will gain: prosperity, honor, and the ease of conscience.
Three things which the humble will gain: plenty, happiness , and the love of their neighbors.
Three things which the sincere will gain: favor, respect, and prosperity.
Three things which the patient will gain: love, tranquillity, and succor .
Three things which the merciful will gain: favor, love, and the protection of the Mighty Ones.
Three things which the upright will gain: worldly sufficiency, peace of conscience, and unending happiness.
Three things which the industrious will gain: precedence , wealth , and praise from the Wise.
Three things which the law-abiding will gain: health, success, and honor.
Three things which the careful will gain: respect, plenty, and content.
Three things which the generous of heart will gain: joy from their profit, felicity in giving, and a better life to come.
Three things which the early riser will gain: health, wealth, and happiness.
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Post by dan on Feb 10, 2012 14:26:13 GMT -7
Jake,
Exopolitical Christian........
I like that.
I also attempt to be that.
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Cy,
Wow, you do not mince your words. Neither do I.
I do believe that we are coming down to the nittty-gritty of existence.
Allow me, please, to address that issue......
You mention health, wealth and happiness.....
I don't give much credence to any of those items.
Instead, I give credence to our ultimate concerns.....
(cont.)
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Post by Jake Reason on Feb 10, 2012 15:30:26 GMT -7
Yes Cyrellys, thank you.
Virtue = excellence, purity, charity. All these provide reward. It's the way of nature. It's evidence is everywhere. It is inherent in creation. A law of the cosmos. Therefore a Law of the Creator.
"Jesus" parables always pointed to nature, and used them as object lessons to indicate the 'mind of G-d'. And that the laws on earth reflect the nature of the laws in the "heavens".
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Post by dan on Feb 10, 2012 15:46:34 GMT -7
Jake,
The laws on Earth reflect the laws in Heaven.......!!
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Yes and no......
IMHO, God is the final arbiter of the disposition of all of us sinners.
IMHO, God is forgiving, and he will leave no stone unturned in order to save his children from perdition.
Am I right about this, Jake?
Cy,
Do you believe that most sinners can be saved from perdition?
And, who might so save them?
(cont.)
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Post by Cyrellys on Feb 10, 2012 16:20:50 GMT -7
Yes Cyrellys, thank you. Virtue = excellence, purity, charity. All these provide reward. It's the way of nature. It's evidence is everywhere. It is inherent in creation. A law of the cosmos. Therefore a Law of the Creator. "Jesus" parables always pointed to nature, and used them as object lessons to indicate the 'mind of G-d'. And that the laws on earth reflect the nature of the laws in the "heavens". Very well done Jake! That is exactly what I was speaking of...the virtues that allow us to experiment and build our unique Nature. You didn't get lost in the modern definitions of health, wealth, and happiness. Jesus was speaking of the Order of Nature. The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?" He replied,
"The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. This is why I speak to them in parables:
Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand." "Whoever has will be given more," this referring to respecting what has been given and respecting those who practice inequity instead. Wisdom proves itself, that is why it spreads so rapidly. Self-servancy always clouds the water and causes those on that path to shy away to seek that which rings more true (without conscripting influence). It is the same reason the Old Irish knowledge is in triadic form for it gives a fuller picture of what is meant and how it might be applied. This knowledge is present for us to think before we leap. To look more carefully at the condition of those around us. And to practice virtue for the sake of our own Nature first before attempting to advise another. My apologies for seeming short. I've been fighting a 103.3 degree fever for seven days with no signs of letting up and it is hard to harness the warrior in me to better effect. No harm meant Dan, but time is short for us to get this right and it is impossible for me to not react to some degree to that urgency. In days of the first danann health, wealth, and happiness meant other things. These were people who valued virtue and the pursuit of Excellence. They valued knowledge of all things and the temperance set to run in conjunction with high technology can be seen in the triads. Health referrs to the whole BEING. Not just the physical. Wealth means the wealth of life's experiences and our companions be they our kinsmen, friends, or synchronistic aquaintences. A people of many children with the sound of laughter ringing in the halls were rich people for children in their exposing us once again to innocence uplift us in way no other learning can. Happiness is the same as the definition embodied in the Founder's many documents. The failure of the last high civilization had to do with need (self-servancy) and knowledge outstripping development of Nature. They did not follow their own principles and global war and complete destruction resulted. They made as I understand it, many of the same mistakes we're making now. Unconcern, apathy, ignorance, conscripted system, and corruption. They were no more ready for the jump Dan proposes than the world is now. Cy |
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Post by Cyrellys on Feb 10, 2012 16:32:48 GMT -7
The next window for WWIII is March guys
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Post by dan on Feb 10, 2012 16:44:35 GMT -7
Cy, Are we ready for the Jump......? Yes and no...... I do believe that he's got the whole world in his hands.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=xscZeFD2m_o Do either of you, Cy or Jake, doubt that he has us in his hands? IHf either of you do so doubt, then we need to address your doubt right here and now..... Then there is this..... Jesus loves me..... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Loves_Me Do either Cy or Jake disagree.....? ...... Gaither Vocal Band - Jesus Loves Me www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMCR4p5mSjQ Do we have any reason to doubt this? Does the Bible tell us so....? Yes, it does. But, even if the bible did not exist, would I be able to believe that God loves me? Why? Because God is love. If God is not love, then why would we give him the time of day? Do we have any reason to suppose that God is not love? I don't think so. 8pm -------- I just got a call from the psychologist. The appointment is not at 12:40. It is at 12:30. Wonderful. I'm glad that we have a confirmation. Now, keep in mind that I have two consultants concerning this appointment.... They both tell me to follow the rule book, which is the DSMIV, if I heard correctly. --------- Sorry, then there is this....... www.youtube.com/watch?v=18uDutylDa4 ----------- Off we go to the psychologist. How many of us know the difference....? www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/psychology-vs-psychiatry-which-is-better 9:40--------- I have had two consultations concerning my appointment tomorrow..... They both advise me to be cautious. They both advise me to be mindful of the DSM- IV codes..... The object is to avoid categorization. There was just another convo with R&A...... I think we're in pretty good shape for the meeting with AH, Ed.D, tomorrow. I've had some very good advice. But I'm not sure how to handle the ICD. I wrote it down, but now I can't find it...... Wait, sports fans, here it is..... (this is from Kit G.). ICD code.... Initial evaluation. Greater latitude.... checking of boxes.... generically first..... I've already forgotten what this was. But, yes, I think that Kit was referring to these codes..... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ICD-9_codes Yes? Will I be able to handle this? And R&A have assured me that they will be standing-by..... But now I've forgotten their respective roles. Ron said that he could provide the data, but that he might go negative on my sanity, but that Aliyah would probably be more positive. But what about the Kahmalien, we would like to know? Who would you call? 'A' has a boxing match, tomorrow evening. Will I be in that ring? She suggested that I might be too old to go that distance. Bless her heart, (cont.) |
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Post by Cyrellys on Feb 11, 2012 3:35:32 GMT -7
Ok, let's try this one last time. Look guys. Do you use needles? Like for sewing a tear or replacing a button? It allows you to scale down to work on a very defined environment. Well that is what Synchronicity is. It is the Universal Source, who doesn't usually get directly involved in incubator worlds like Earth, who is operating in THIS ENVIRONMENT to try to prevent what you're attempting to do.
Destroying a living planet is WRONG! It's inexcusable! And here's another piece of the message in the bottle: YOU DON'T GET TO GO HOME IF YOU DO THAT. Sorry Charlie. You will be made to stay here, assuming you survive the event.* And live in the mess you made until such time as you can learn enough to fix it. If that's even possible.*
And here's the part soul collectors like Christians should really love: When I said "assuming you survive the event" what I was referring to is the use of nuclear weapons. THEY SNUFF OUT SOULS. PERMANENTLY! No more revolution of lifetimes, no advancement to heaven, etc....nada. Just GONE.
Why do you think the ETs & UTs get so upset over your use of them? Now what that means in the long run might be something like children being born dead because there's no soul available to fill the body. Or it might mean like last time where the souls that do fill it are the youngest and most primative from the incubator. Those souls have to go through many many revolutions of life and learning to become civilized and sane. Is that the world you want? Because if you let the idiots in power start WWIII that's precisely what will happen.
The part that really sucks is I gave up my life to come back here and try to talk people into some common sense. That means I'm now subject to whatever choice fools make. I'm at risk of ending up snuffed out just like everyone else, because there's no going home for me unless the PTB make the right choice opting for a future and don't destroy the planet.
And the best a mouthpiece like Dan can do is cutsie links like in his last post.
Geez.
Cy
Edit to add: here's a bit I forgot to add - for all the wonderful folks who think they get to go hide in the DUMBS....each life will be a russian roulette wheel...will you be born among those there? Or will you be born in the mess on the surface. YOU DON'T GET TO ESCAPE YOUR CONSEQUENCES. You WILL experience it one way or another. Shrug.
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Post by skaizlimit on Feb 11, 2012 8:51:35 GMT -7
Cyrellys, you may fare better afflictionwise if you flood yourself with drinking water.
So far I do not see the insanity aspect of Dan ... unless it is some kind of a disconnect with reality. And since he seems to be involved in a number of realities, it may be that he is creating some of them as well as discovering some, perhaps not the first to discover them but maybe ... so how is anyone else, especially a psychologist, supposed to see if what Dan alleges is a reality really is or not?
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