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Post by Jake Reason on Feb 13, 2012 9:25:49 GMT -7
My general point is that there are tons of things we can do to ease the suffering out there but we haven't done any of the right things we need to do yet to build the foundation either here at home or abroad to do any of it. It's not resources at all! Its PEOPLE & the LEADERSHIP! Get the home and the mind right and the rest will follow, people are natural innovators they can't help themselves, they just can't solve their problems if they are slaves (real or proverbial), prisoners (real or proverbial), despondent because you withhold OPPORTUNITY and try to hard to protect them, and last if you yourself are practicing Tyranny. End Soapbox. Cy Hear Hear! |
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Post by Jake Reason on Feb 13, 2012 9:27:40 GMT -7
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Post by skaizlimit on Feb 13, 2012 22:09:17 GMT -7
Ze Grande Soliliquy, Dan!!! Rising to the heights, ye are, I see. Methinks ye have surpassed Marlowe and have the Bard in sight now. I can see it but can only muster a bit of a comparison, a putting into a different word cluster, your J-man nexus with the "cia business": how about, "soul meets science" for a concept, a query, a reflection, even a meditation, not to mention a study, a formal study yet?
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Post by dan on Feb 14, 2012 8:10:19 GMT -7
Thanks, Skai. Please, allow me to try this again......
But first I cannot fail to mention the following...... My son and his woman friend, of two years, are breaking up..... a trial separation, at least. I have known her mother for longer than they knew each other. It was a coincidence, when we independently discovered the connections. My son says that he needs more time, implying, perhaps, that there are gobs of time out there, just waiting for us. How can I tell him how precious is every minute? Every minute must be lived, as if it were our last. There is no way that young people can understand this. Clearly, they were not meant to understand this. Instead, most youngsters are blessed with a dollop of eternity and immortality. How quickly it will seem to have passed.
Speaking of eternity, there is this, also from Skai........
Back to loves labors......
Yes, I'm a staunch universalist. John C, @gfc/SfA, is my arch antagonist.
I swear to the God above, that John actually believes that most of us are going to burn in hell, for eternity. Does he even seem to relish it? I fear, for him, that he does.
Is it true that, through the Bible and through Jesus, God does aid and abet John's belief?
The only honest answer is, yes, God does do that.
Why, Lord?
The answer is astonishingly simple.......
God is no Dummy. He knows the ways of the world. He knows that loves labors are never lost, but they do tend to go AWOL, at least not with our leave!
God knows that the flesh is weak, and so, sometimes, is the spirit. He knows that only our desperation leads us to look for love in all the wrong places. Our hearts are in the right place, but often in the wrong places.
And so are we lead into Idolatry, in all its infinite variations and vicissitudes. Historically speaking, Bibliolatry is, very plausibly, the chief amongst these.
The gods must be crazy? Yes, he is crazy like a fox! He very deliberately allows the hell fires to warm the cockles of the bibliolators hearts. All the better to spring his trap.
If you see what I'm driving at, then go to the head of the class....!
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It is not unlike the judgment of Solomon.....
Yes, the great undummy was truly paving the road to the Great Apostasy......
Here, it was just the reverse of that Judgment. Or was it Sophie's Choice? Mutilate God's love, or...... mutilate the Bible. God never said that life would be easy, especially not for the faithful.
(cont.)
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Post by Jake Reason on Feb 14, 2012 9:49:53 GMT -7
I swear to the God above, that John actually believes that most of us are going to burn in hell, for eternity. Does he even seem to relish it? I fear, for him, that he does. Is it true that, through the Bible and through Jesus, God does aid and abet John's belief? The only honest answer is, yes, God does do that. The only Biblical answer is, No! And the only Red-Letter answer ('Jesus' words) is, No! Although it is commonly believed by most Christian religious adherents that eternal suffering awaits those who do not accept "Jesus" as God's son..... "eternal suffering" is a doctrine of men and not of the Bible nor "Jesus". However (in Biblical scripture) there is an end-game separation of the wheat from the chaff. The spiritually dead are cast into the "lake of fire". And even "Hell" itself is cast into the "lake of fire". (Rev 20:14) The "lake of fire" burns everything up. Kaput! Biblically, it's called the "second death". Like a recycle bin, all that is cast into it, is consumed/destroyed, and will be no more. The concept of " eternal suffering in hell" was invented by Religious Leaders who used it's threat as a powerful deterrent to convert people. It worked well and caught on, and so today the majority of Christians still believe this false doctrine. It's so entrenched in Christianity, that even Leaders who know it isn't Biblical, still pay lip service in support of its continued belief, for fear of ridicule and religious persecution. So Dan, you do not have to offer an apologetic for it. Nor for G-d, nor for Christ. It isn't their thing. It's Beelzebub's bag of mind tricks. |
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Post by Jake Reason on Feb 14, 2012 11:04:21 GMT -7
Yes, I'm a staunch universalist. John C, @gfc/SfA, is my arch antagonist. I swear to the God above, that John actually believes that most of us are going to burn in hell, for eternity. IF your statement is true about his beliefs, then John is either ignorant of the Biblical teaching, or he has decided at one point in his life that he will uphold the "eternal suffering" doctrine to go along with the crowd. If "eternal suffering" is a contention between you and him, then you can use his Bible to prove him wrong. Rather than wasting time trying to prove your contention right. In the end, you would both have to compromise in order to agree. He would have to acknowledge that his belief was neither Godly, nor Biblical. And you would have to agree that G-d made provisions for a recycle bin. Some souls are stillborn... C'est la vie, dans la création |
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Post by dan on Feb 14, 2012 11:05:36 GMT -7
Thanks for that clarification, Jake.
Allow me, please, to study it, before I try to say any more......
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Post by Jake Reason on Feb 14, 2012 11:25:13 GMT -7
Thanks for that clarification, Jake. Allow me, please, to study it, before I try to say any more...... You're welcome. Here's a good synopsis, quoting many verses .... www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVubeAc-910 |
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Post by 6equj5 on Feb 15, 2012 2:15:36 GMT -7
I just got off the phone with John Huang. We discussed the fact that Jack Sarfatti seems to be experiencing "microwave bombardment" (John's words). He also claimed that the Strategy of Tension (SoT) will involve the GSG-9 dressed as a mariachi band from Montreal. I told him that, no matter the Goose, no Canadian can replicate a good Verde. He swore in his vernacular, and hung up. I have a date in Venice. More in a moment...
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Post by dan on Feb 15, 2012 8:12:25 GMT -7
Wow/6eq,
On behalf of Cy&co., I'm pleased to welcome you to these new digs.
Yes, when you have a chance, you might humor us further, by connecting some of those dots. Is this Canadian humor, Jake?
And, yes, please send Jack my condolences, about his brain being fried!
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Jake,
Those are good points concerning Satan's eternal BBQ. But then there are these two verses from Rev 20...... I don't know about you, but to John C. and me, those verses are pretty clear. Pretty damning, too!
And, I'm saying to you and John that those verses were put there very deliberately, just to confound the scriptural literalists! It is God's, not so tender, trap.
God is, thereby, forcing all of us to be biblical cherry pickers. More than any other verses in the Bible, those two can be construed as a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which just so happens to be the only unforgivable sin, within the Christian canon. Yes, I would not be doing my due diligence, were I not to accepts these words as a personal gift from God. No? This is God's gift to us Cherry Pickers Anonymous (CPA) and defenders of the Spirit of Truth vs. the dead letter of scripture.
More, anon.....
Sam and I are headed out to lunch with Lore R, the facilitator of the Baltimore Green Forum. I will be proposing to her that there be a continuing affinity group for the Forum. It will be the Visionary Focus Group (VFG/BGF).
Golly, how many visions are the in the world? I can think of only one that is coherent. Anyone else?
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Post by Cyrellys on Feb 15, 2012 9:02:43 GMT -7
Welcome to Compass Morainn 6equj5.
Cyrellys
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Post by Jake Reason on Feb 15, 2012 11:23:18 GMT -7
Jake, Those are good points concerning Satan's eternal BBQ. But then there are these two verses from Rev 20...... I don't know about you, but to John C. and me, those verses are pretty clear. Pretty damning, too! It's also pretty clear that "the lake of fire" is called "the second death"... NOT... the second life.  Yes we should stone adulterers to death, too. I guess John wants to cast the first stone. This kind of cherry picking is not only dangerous, it's stupid. Firstly, In Revelation 14:11 and 20:10, both of the following phrases are usually translated in english as: "for ever and ever" Here's the original Greek; In Rev. 14:11 the phrase: eis aionas aionon literally means: "unto ages of ages" In Rev. 20:10 the phrase: eis tous aionas ton anionon literally means: "unto the ages of the ages" Which can only mean; until the age or ages end. Now 2ndly to understand that further, all one has to do is keep reading. Revelation chapter 20 is followed by Revelation chapter 21. Isn't that amazing! Difficult concept for some I guess. And in chapter 21, the ages end! And there is a New Heaven and earth
The old heaven and earth passes away.
There shall be no more death,
Neither sorrow, nor crying,
Neither shall there be any more pain:
for all former things are passed away So as anyone can read, there cannot be any more eternal torment in the new age. Everything that once was, will have ceased to be. The 'Alpha and Omega' has spoken. -------------------------------- Besides the above, here are some more study references. I found this piece in the list; www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBlbL2Oosdg |
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Post by Jake Reason on Feb 15, 2012 13:03:24 GMT -7
This is God's gift to us Cherry Pickers Anonymous (CPA) and defenders of the Spirit of Truth vs. the dead letter of scripture. Now, that statement would be blasphemous, or an oxymoron, at least. This whole ordeal you are posting, reads like two blind men discussing the contents of an art book. But it's understandable. You Dan, have lived much of your life thinking and presuming that the teachings of religious Christianity must have been Biblical. Without having studied the scriptures to any depth yourself, how could you not detest many of the erroneous doctrines of Christianity, and naturally blame it on the Bible. As if it were the culprit. And John? well perhaps he was one of those who approached 'God' out of fear, rather than desire. Maybe he was one of those who was compelled to fear eternal torture in hell's flames. So much so, that he trembled at the thought, and thus accepted his religious beliefs to avoid the pain. Perhaps that's why he clings to this false doctrine; as to him, it is the catalyst that led to his faith. sighOh the horror, that a man should love a God, he believes will torture his neighbors for eternity. |
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Post by skaizlimit on Feb 15, 2012 18:58:18 GMT -7
Not new views at all, but ancient, and debated for millenia, as also today. Why gamble?
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Post by dan on Feb 16, 2012 9:12:22 GMT -7
Sam and I made a very important connection, yesterday. I'm speaking of Lore (prn. 'Laura') Rosenthal of Greenbelt. She is an indefatigable environmental activist, with a strong spiritual leaning toward the New Cosmology movement that includes Barbara Marx Hubbard, Thomas Berry and Brian Swimme. It turns out that her stepdad, Rex Rehfeld, was my financial advisor, prior to Sam. Lore is the founder and continuing facilitator of the Baltimore Green Forum, through which, Sam had known her for the past three years, but had not previously met with her, privately. My homework assignment for Lore is to come up with a four page summary of the BPWH, which I will be doing right here, in the next couple of days. I will also be exploring the New Cosmology movement (NCM) to see wherein may lie the sweet spot wrt the BPWH. What I strongly suspect is that she will be able to connect me with the one person I need to connect with in the NCM. She has suggested BMH and Sister Miriam MacGillis of Genesis Farm. As I say, I just need to figure out who is that one person I need to talk to, in the NCM, and I'm sure that Lore will know exactly how to best make that connection. But right now, I'm head OTL with Bix........ Jake, Thank you very much for that above information. It is exactly what I need. All I need now is to figure out exactly how and when to confront John C ( GFC/SfA) with it! (cont.) |
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