Barbara Marx Hubbard

[dan]

[This thread will comprise a continuing, open letter to Barbara Marx Hubbard....]


Dear Barbara,

I am being inspired to write this letter, by my new friend, Lore R. Sam and I had lunch with Lore on Wednesday.

Lore, among her many ongoing projects, continues to facilitate the Baltimore Green Forum. We were there to discuss the upcoming meeting, on the 26th......

The Great Taboo Topics Among Greens:

Overpopulation and Economic Growth

Sam Hopkins will give an overview of recent films, little known activist groups, and writers who have nevertheless dared to address these taboo subjects. He will also report on his experience that he and his closest colleagues have had meeting with religious organizations to seek their help in achieving the huge paradigm shift that is needed. Dan Smith will continue the discussion of this experience and its implications in the meeting of the new Spirituality Affinity Group.

When I started explaining my concerns to Lore, she immediately mentioned your name, which had been very familiar to me, so I was struggling to come up the name of something you had written. All I could think of was the Aquarian Conspiracy (1980). I call that a Freudian slip.

Please allow me to explain the slip.......

I can do this by way of a (personal?) chronology......

Think of that popular song from 1967..... This is the dawning of the age.....

Your wiki bio lists you as a futurist. That latter entry urges us not to confuse futurists with the Futurism movement. However, the complaint that I, hereby, bring to you is that too many futurists suffer from futurism.

Ok, so what is Futurism......?

Whenever '-ism' is attached to a word, it is meant to attach an ontological significance to that word. IOW, futurists wish, very emphatically, to distinguish themselves from historicists.

Simple, human curiosity leads us to speculate about this apparent denial of history......

When anyone wishes to deny the past, the very first thing that will come to the mind of any normal human is that there must be a skeleton in the closet. No?

Barbara..... How many taps on an iPad screen do you think it will take to find the skeleton in the closet of the futurists? I'm guessing that it may take two or three taps, at the most. But, just to play it safe, I'll drop a very big hint.... Evolutionism......



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[Jake Reason]

compassmorainn.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=bpwh&thread=89&page=5#852

[dan]

Jake refers us to Neale's biography of Barbara Marx Hubbard.....

www.poeticmind.co.uk/creative-thoughts/lessons-neale-donald-walsch-mother-invention-legacy-barbara-marx-hubbard-future-of-you-part-1-by-gil-dekel/ ....

The ideas of futurist Barbara Marx Hubbard (born 1929) are expressed in Neale Donald Walsch’s book, following his extensive research into her life-long journals, as well as in-depth interviews he conducted with her (sold separately on DVD). Neale describes Barbara’s visions of ‘the wheel of co-creation’, ‘the synergy engine’, ‘the peace room’, and the evolutionary story of humanity.
Neale states (page 22) that he doesn’t have much time left, and will not waste it on writing just another good biography, unless it had something important to tell the readers. This biography of Barbara conveys her life wisdom and her futurist visions in a way that the readers can learn and apply in their own lives. As such, Neale does not see this book as a biography, but as a ‘uniography’ (page 21). The story in the book begins in the future and ends with Barbara’s birth.

Wonderful, but now, with Jake's prompting, I have further pinned down the skeleton in Barbara's closet.....

It is none other than my old buddy, Thomas Robert.

It turns out, historically speaking, that I am not the only one who has been inspired by Thom. My fellow inspiree is none other than my other old friend, Charles Robert.

If I were writing a detective story, I think it's fair to say that this is where the plot thickens....

So now you see that we have circled right back to Barbara's problem with history. That problem is to be found in the necessay and logical link between Malthusianism and Darwinism. And, how many skeletons are there in the closet of the Social Darwinists?

Yes, the plot does thicken.....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_and_ideology#Ideological_origins

Toward the end of that section, you will see this......

Fascism initially had close connections to futurism; the Futurist Manifesto (1909) by Filippo Tommaso Marinetti "glorified action, technology, and war" and promoted irrationalism over rationalism; the revolutionary entrenchment of modernist and violent art and aesthetics; the destruction of all past aesthetic traditions to liberate modern aesthetics; the promotion of patriotism and militarism; and contempt of women and feminism.[27] Futurism, like fascism, identified the state in a corporatist manner as an organic body connected to the nation.[28] However, unlike fascism, the futurist conception of the state proscribed the continuation of democracy, with Marinetti arguing: "Italian democracy is for us a body which must be liberated", a liberation which would be achieved through technological development.[28] Marinetti was initially drawn to fascism but rejected it when it adopted more moderate conservative aesthetics once it attained power in Italy.

Ouch! I'm being led to wonder, if Barbara forgot to do her Wikipedia homework. Lore inspired me to do this homework for Barbara. Wonderful, so now what....?

Clearly, this leads us right back to the Aquarian Conspiracy.......



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[Jake Reason]

Well this Barbara is certainly an 'apple of my eye'.

Interesting 'skeleton closet' there, Dan. But why your attention to the fascist black dress, in the closet? Did you not see the pretty rose crusi dress?

I fail to see any stark difference between the dawning of the Age of Aquarius and the dawning of Millennium Come.

[dan]

Jake,

So do I fail to see the difference.

I'm more concerned about our evangelical brethren. They are very skeptical of the New Agers..... and for good reason....

I've just had a long talk with Jim Gray, who is the 2nd newest member of Cy's forum....

Jim Gray.....  2/17 .....

Edinburg university Adam smith 
Theory of moral sentiments.  
Question authority.  Enlightenment question everything 
Free thinking, thinking for ourselves. 
Beyond Aristotle. 
Enlightenment vs Renaissance 
Neo cons ..... 
Back to authority...  Like feudalism 
Divine right.... 
American exceptionalism.  manifest destiny. 
Deism vs divine right, papalism, Geo Wash ... Mr President.  
Masons meet on the level....  3 steps, tiers of seats, all leave their seat and come to the level floor.  
Masons allowed folks of different classes to interact. 
Royal Society, Gresham Col, oxford.  Split betw. Royalists and others. 
Science and the defence of the nation.  Charles II patron of the Royal Society. 
War of the roses, Hanover vs Stewart (Scotts) 
Perpetuating ancient beliefs....  
Scottish right started in expat Scotts in France.  
Hanover>>> united grand lodge.  Expurged Scottish rite.  

Sufism is a belief that goes back to well before Christ.....  
Jim does not know where it goes to... 
But I suggest it goes to the Ancient Wisdom, or per Jim the Perennial Philosophy. 
Huxley wrote a book by that title..... 
Frithjof Schuom, Rene Guenon. 
Two main proponents of PP.  
Old Religion..... 

Dayton, TN, buckle of bible belt.  
Hamlet's Mill 
Uriel's Machine - knight & lomas. 1999 
Angles bred with humans to create the Watchers, giant half humans
Oral tradition of free masonry records real events. 
Second Messiah.  
www.amazon.com/Second-Messiah-Templars-Shroud-Freemasonry/dp/1862042489 
Forget the shroud part..... 
Hanoverians threw out parts that were real tradition.  
Ancient priesthood of Temple of Solomon.   Got the pope to declare crusades so they could recover their artifacts hidden under the temple, genealogies. 

Priori de Sion....   Late 40's. Not all royalty of Europe were Jewish .

Custodians of Truth.... 
www.amazon.com/Custodians-Truth-Continuance-Rex-Deus/dp/1578633230 

Jim uses these last two sources in his essay..... and also from the Sufis on the Nazarenes.

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[Jake Reason]

'Jesus' was a New Ager. He talked about it all the time.
An incurable optimist.

[dan]

You are right, Jake.

Now, please, read Jim's essay.....

MASONIC ORIGINS: A BRIEF SURVEY
 
There are those who say Freemasonry dates back to the time of the Egyptians; others say to the building of Solomon’s temple.  Still others talk of the Essenes in the time of Jesus.  Then there are the tales about the role of the Knights Templar in Masonry – sometimes their survival in Scotland is mentioned.  Finally there are those who point to the Rosicrucians or alchemists, or Kabbalists.   The most common – and nearly official – story is that Freemasonry began in the lodges of operative masons, perhaps during the building of the great Gothic cathedrals, or later in Scotland, or England or France.  I’ve been researching this topic for a number of years and don’t pretend to fully understand it, but I feel like I can present you with a preliminary report:  One thing I’ve come to know is that all these things are correct – except the common, and “official” story about the operative masons!
 
The difficulties one encounters in trying to get to the bottom of Freemasonry’s origins are twofold: first its very essence has been the perpetuation of ancient esoteric beliefs, so there are many layers of secrecy at its core.  Secondly, Masonry’s known history and rituals were deliberately corrupted and obscured in the 18th and 19th centuries for low, political reasons with little regard for what treasures were being lost.  Yet, all is not lost.  There are fragments left, and through strenuous research the true history and mission of Freemasonry can be discerned at least in outline, though much has been lost, perhaps forever.  
 
So, what was really lost to Masonry?  Let us search by working our way through those historic events we associate with our Craft.
 
Many Masons believe that the Craft dates back to the time of Solomon’s temple or to ancient Egypt.  In that, they are correct, but not because of the architectural connections which are much later.  Research into those ancient times reveals that Moses and monotheism were both Egyptian, dating from the reign and ruin of Pharaoh Akhenaten.  (In fact, some researchers believe that Moses was the exiled Pharaoh.)  The Exodus and settlement of what is now generally Israel were the historic events that created an identifiable Hebrew people, although their final choice of YHWH as their only god took many generations.  Solomon and his successors built temples to honor Astarte, Baal, Isis, El and many other local gods and goddesses.  It took the adversity of the Babylonian exile and the assembly of the Pentateuch to cement YHWH’s position.
 
Judaism and other Near eastern religions have always functioned on several levels, usually with a simple, exoteric faith for the common people and a different esoteric practice for the priesthood and the initiated.  This latter was a Gnostic ‘mystery’ religion, practiced everywhere and eventually hidden within all Western religions.  After the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 68 CE, and the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE, Judaism split into a public rabbinical practice and the mystical Kabbalism. As for the other great Western religions, despite extreme measures, neither the Roman church nor the orthodox Islamic authorities were able to extirpate their esoteric streams.  Like the Dead Sea scrolls and the Nag Hammadi texts, the old religion went underground.
 
In our search for Masonic roots, we find that this same hidden ‘mysteries,’ had been preserved from the time of Solomon by a priesthood that remained intact through the centuries.  Those priestly families finally abandoned Jerusalem in the wake of the final Jewish revolts of the 1st and 2nd centuries CE.  Most settled in existing Jewish enclaves in Europe, especially in southern France.  Secretly calling themselves “Rex Deus” – Kings of God – they eventually adopted the outward appearance of their Christian neighbors.  And working together for a common cause, many rose to positions of wealth and power over the first Millennium.  In the late 11th century an influential group of these Rex Deus families began to clamor for a military campaign to retake the Holy Land from the Muslims.  Their reasons for this Crusade had little to do with Christianity and everything to do with their personal history and their true ancient religion.
 
Shortly after the success of the First Crusade, a small group – again from the same families – formed the Templar Knights – allegedly to patrol the highways and defend pilgrims.  Instead they secured exclusive access to the Temple mount and spent the next ten years tunneling beneath the Temple site.  It seems likely they knew what was there and where to look – and apparently they found what they were looking for.  This core group suddenly returned to Europe, opened their membership, and soon became extremely rich, powerful, and influential.  The Templars were the first multinational corporation, the first international bankers, and controlled the largest standing military since the fall of Rome.  Over the next two centuries, while their armies fought to keep control of the Holy Land, the Templar leadership became an ongoing challenge to both temporal and Church power across Europe.  
 
The Freemasonry we know today was created initially as a defense against medieval Roman Catholic intolerance and its enforcement by the Inquisition.  This “religious police state’ was instituted in the wake of the Albigensian Crusade – the Papal instigated extermination of the Cathars for their simple, non-Roman beliefs.  Many Templar Knights (and Rex Deus families) were known to have aided and protected the Cathars and other groups labeled ‘heretics’ and destroyed by the Church. Eighty years later, Philip the Fair, in league with his hand-picked Pope, set out to eliminate the Templar Knights.  Outwardly this attack was a success, but in fact, few Templars other than Grand Master Jacques de Molay were arrested and condemned.  Most escaped, merged with other orders, or simply continued under different names.  The final blow to their power was the seizure of Templar property by greedy bishops and aristocrats.  
 
Notable among the accusations against the Templars was that of spitting on or otherwise defiling the Crucifix. Under torture, some Knights confessed that Initiates were told that this symbol was “too new” and false.  We are left to wonder – and to look back further – to find what the old, true symbols might be.  For two centuries the Templars had successfully carried on the public appearance of Christian knights, but at their core, their Order served a much older belief – the Gnostic religion of Rex Deus.  The Gothic cathedrals were the first ‘hidden-in-plain-sight’ expression of the spiritual path of the Knights who would become Freemasons.  Gothic design and architecture demonstrate a profound knowledge of ‘sacred geometry’ and other sciences derived from the Muslim Sufis and entirely alien to the medieval Church. Further, any serious study of these ‘books in stone’ reveals that they are dedicated, not to the “mother of God,” the Virgin Mary of the Church, but rather to the Divine Feminine of Mary Magdalene, the Black Madonna, of Sophia and Isis.  Finally, among thousands of carved images in the cathedrals, there are no original, contemporary depictions of the Crucifixion which indicates a belief in Jesus as a teacher, not as a dying and reborn god.  This is the long hidden religion of Akhenaten and Moses, of the Essenes and the Holy Saints John.  It is the religion of James the Just, brother of Jesus whose murder at the Temple is the source of our Hiram Abif story.  Most notably this is not the Hellenistic Paulism hijacked and recast by the Roman emperors as Catholicism – the “universal” religion.  But, for our purposes, it is this belief that the Knight Templar built into their cathedrals, wrote into the Grail legends, and passed on into Freemasonry.  
 
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And now to the ‘official story.’  In the mid-fifteenth century the finest craftsmen of Europe were gathered in Scotland to build Rosslyn Chapel which is a pesher of the Jerusalem Temple and the most complete “book in stone” of the Templar beliefs.  Even the date of its construction is predicated on the same ancient star knowledge that caused Solomon to delay his temple’s construction for four year into his reign.  Every detail was designed, and approved by the Templar Knight, Lord William St. Clair.  It was during this time that William St. Clair – or Sinclair – of Roslyn and his heirs were made the hereditary Grand Masters of Masonry.  And it was during this time that operative mason’s lodges started to become ‘speculative’ Masonic Lodges.
 
The Knights who became the Freemasons had a long-standing relationship with medieval masons’ guilds, having employed – and likely trained – thousands of master masons who built fortifications, Templar priories, and dozens of magnificent Gothic cathedrals based on the sacred geometry the Knights had learned in the East.   The tales of Freemasonry ‘growing’ out of masons’ guilds are simply nonsense.  When secrecy became necessary to the Knights’ Order, they seized on what was at hand.  Claiming to be masons was a way to provide both a ‘cover’ for unorthodox beliefs and a way to use common tools as symbols with which to ‘illustrate’ those beliefs.  The Templars had learned this practice from the Sufis who often claimed to be carpenters. [see note]
 
Time, wars, and politics have taken most of the spiritual heritage from the Freemasonry of today.  It is said that European Masonry is more spiritual than the American brotherhood, which has devolved into a charitable fellowship with a moral bent.  I believe that Europe’s freedom from the UGL may be a reason for this difference.  Historically America was more directly linked with the original Scottish sources of Freemasonry, but the source of that link was usurped by the “state assisted” victory in the early 19th century of the ‘Moderns’ (the Grand Lodge of England) over the ‘Antients’ (a union of Scottish lodges formed to oppose the English).  Unfortunately, a generation after our Revolution, American Grand Lodges petitioned the UGL for a restoration of recognition, thus joining the system controlled by the same royal family we had broken with in 1776.
 
Why “unfortunately?”  Despite the fog and mythology coming from the United Grand Lodge in England, we know that modern Freemasonry began three or four centuries before the UGL was organized.  But, beginning in 1717 with the founding of the Grand Lodge of England in London, the British system of Freemasonry was subverted into a tool of royal politics.  The military and political victory of the Hanoverians over the Stuarts of Scotland was played out in Masonry.  The Scottish Grand Master of Roslyn was forced to relinquish his hereditary right and over the next century the victors purged our ritual and history of its Scottish Stuart and Templar-linked roots.  Then they began claiming that Masonic history prior to 1717 was “clouded.”
Until the predations of the Duke of Sussex, the ritual of the ‘Scottish’ Rite had been based on an historical record of the survival of the priestly class of Solomon’s time. All this was cast aside in favor of a new ritual that centered on the admittedly fictional Solomon’s temple story, a carefully edited version of history, and a litany of innocuous morality tales.  However, some small fragments – usually those disguised by a pesher – have survived and give us clues about what has been so intentionally “lost.”  Contemporary researchers have also managed to secure many of the old rituals and have filled in many of the blanks.  
 
< insert examples & details of pre/post Sussex rituals here >
 
In America the ritual was again reworked by Albert Pike.  Although Pike was a mystic with a vast knowledge of ancient beliefs and philosophy, he openly opposed Gnosticism and he often demeaned the Essenes despite how little was known at the time about either.  Further, he apparently knew nothing of the inner Gnosticism of Freemasonry or the Essene connections of Jesus, James, or the ‘holy saints’ John.  Thus his Magnum Opus, his Ritual, and the essays of Morals and Dogma, while advancing Pikes personal ideas – and those he adopted in bulk from Eliphas Levi – only serve to bury even further the true Masonic initiation of the past.
 
Today there are movements afoot, such as Masonic Restoration, which are trying to recapture what they call ‘Traditional Observance.’  However, just because a Lodge adopts codes of formal dress, plays soft ‘Masonic” music and presents ‘philosophic’ research at its meetings, it is still very far from restoring that which was lost.   Yet, despite the attacks by Church and State over the last 700 years, the Rex Deus Templar Order endures; they live on through their legacy: the Enlightenment, the Reformation, the American Constitution, and perhaps even Freemasonry.  
 
 
 

Some Insights into the Nazarene / Nazareth Confusion
 
NOTE:  The Semitic word for carpenter is NSHR, which is written without vowels.  This lack of vowels creates both opportunities and difficulties for both writers and translators.  Using just this one word, NSHR and adding various vowel combinations one can arrive at a group of meanings that relate to one another directly and metaphorically.  In this case the meanings can include:
 
To expand, spread, display
To saw wood, scatter, propagate
To become green after rain; to spread foliage
To recall to life, revivify (the dead)
To disperse by night in a pasture
Life; sweet smell; reviving herbage after a rain
Sawdust, saw
 
As you know, Jesus is often called either the Nazarene, or Jesus of Nazareth – both based on this same Aramaic word, NSHR.  The second term is easily dismissed; there simply was no such place named Nazareth in the first two or three centuries of the Common Era.  
 
On the other hand, that first term, Nazarene, is one of the variant translations of the name of a group of religious Zealots many of whom were disciples or followers of Jesus, John the Baptist, or of the Essene sect of Judaism.  This group was adamantly opposed to Roman rule and to the Herodian dynasty and the Temple Sanhedrin both of which ruled by cooperating with the Romans.  Nazarene was one of several ‘code’ words they used to identify themselves; another was Sicarri, meaning knife man – or even assassin.  Judas was a Sicarri; he was not a guy from Iscariot.  
 
Most of the books in the New Testament were originally written in Aramaic an informal dialect of Hebrew, then translated into Greek, then Latin, and fifteen centuries later into other European languages.  The earliest manuscripts we possess of the Gospels and other NT books are copies made centuries after the originals were lost.  They show significant levels of correction and editing.  At some points in this journey, when translators confronted NSHR (and no vowels), they made a choice that seemed to fit.  They were mostly wrong.
 
It seems to me that the most interesting part of this translation and code word problem is that it may have given rise to the rather quaint folktale that portrays Jesus as a carpenter.  When we find that another group of Middle Eastern religious mystics, the Sufis, call themselves NSHR – carpenters – it seems likely they were following a time honored tradition of hiding in plain sight.
 
SAVE THIS PIECE:
 
While in the Holy Land, the Templar leadership had extensive dealings with their erstwhile enemies, the Muslims.  Legend has them in league with the Assassins, and making deals with the Saracen chiefs.  What they mainly encountered and found congenial was Sufism – the mystery religion residing within Islam.  They also encountered the science of Muslim architecture which they brought back to Europe as the basis of the Gothic cathedrals.
TRACING MASONIC ORIGINS PROJECT 
 
Chapter 1A. PRE-DYNASTIC EGYPT
 
Chapter 1B. HISTORIC EGYPT
 
Chapter 1C. ‘MOSES’ AND MONOTHEISM
 
Chapter 2A. DAVID & SOLOMON
 
Chapter 2B. THE MA’MADOT – SURVIVAL OF THE ANCIENT PRIESTHOOD
 
Chapter 3A. THE ESSENES; JESUS, JAMES & THE GNOSTICS; EBIONITES, ETC.
 
Chapter 3B. THE REVOLTS: MACABEES; JAMES & MASADA; BAR KOKHBA
 
Chapter 3C. THE RISE OF THE NEW ROMAN EMPIRE, THE CHURCH
 
Chapter 4A.  REX DEUS, THE KINGS OF GOD
 
Chapter 4B. CRUSADES, ORIGINS OF THE TEMPLARS
 
Chapter 4C. RISE OF THE GOTHIC; SUFIC KNOWLEDGE GOES WEST
 
Chapter 5A. SUPPRESSION & FLIGHT OF THE TEMPLARS
 
Chapter 5B. SCOTLAND, ROSLYN & FREEMASONRY
 
Chapter 5C. THE WAR OF THE ROSES; THE HANOVERS
 
Chapter 5D. THE UGL vs THE ANTIENTS; THE 2ND SUPPRESSION
 
Chapter 6A. RE-DISCOVERY OF TRUE MASONRY IN THE 20TH CENTURY
 
Chapter 6B. THE NEW MASONRY & THE RETURN TO THE ONE

Jim is the second newest member of Cy's forum.

As I'm wont to say, the plot does continue to thicken......


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[dan]

In the above notes from Jim, please note that Uriel's Machine derives, in part, from Hamlet's Mill.

Yes, this is all about the Ancient Wisdom and the Perennial Philosophy.

What were they?

They were intended to answer our question...... from whence did we come, whither do we go.....? Or, yes, who the heck are we?

And this is how my convo with Jim began.....

All men are created equal......

The quotation "All men are created equal" has been called an "immortal declaration", and "perhaps" the single phrase of the United States Revolutionary period with the most grand "continuing importance".

Would anyone care to refute this statement?

Just to prove this statement, is why I think that I was sent...... This is my mission.

My proof is to be found in the Wikipedia..... We are persons......

A person (plural: persons or people; from Latin: persona, meaning "mask") is a being, such as a human, that has certain capacities or attributes constituting personhood, the precise definition of which is the subject of much controversy.

Prior to the advent of Christianity, the word "persona" (Latin) or "prosopon" (πρόσωπον: Greek) referred to the masks worn by actors on stage. The various masks represented the various "personae" in the stage play, while the masks themselves helped the actor's voice resonate and made it easier for the audience to hear.[1] In Roman law, the word "persona" could also refer to a legal entity. The concept of a "person" was further developed during the Trinitarian and Christological debates of the first through sixth centuries.

Very recently, the US Supreme Court has attempted to define Corporations as Persons. I don't think that was a smart move.



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[dan]

Here is a recent communication..... I note that Lore did request partial privacy, and I have already removed some of the personal information. I will quickly remove from this very remote forum any other info that you deem irrelevant to the possible saving of the world.

From: Lore
Date: February 17, 2012 4:00:39 PM EST
To: Dan Smith
Cc: Sam Hopkins
Subject: Re: Dan and Sam - follow up to our lunch date

Hey Dan,
 
Just checking in.  I have read thru all of the blog postings from yesterday and today . . . . I can see that the Barbara Marx-Hubbard blog is taking you into lots of new conversations. . .
 
BUT . . . I do not see it resulting in a 4-page (maximum) summary of you vision.
 
Maybe you should open a WORD DOC and just type it to me.   No parenthesis or tangential stories allowed . . .just a clear VISION.
 
hee hee . .. . that is my challenge . . .
 
LORE

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Dan Smith wrote:
Lore, 

I am starting to respond to your request, here, on the forum...... 

compassmorainn.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=bpwh&thread=89&page=4#849 

My earlier website is...... www.bestpossibleworld.com/index06.htm. 

Here is my little chronology..... www.bestpossibleworld.com/nexu66.htm#timeline 

Where I had been holding forth, for the past four years, went up in flames, at the first of the year.......  lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi. 

Note the link to Grace Fellowship SfA, in my comment to Jake.  

Dan 

[The remainder of this exchange has been redacted per the suggestion of Lore......]

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[dan]

This is from my longest time friend, in the whole world. Palmer now lives in Las Cruces. Palmer was my longest employer, on behalf of the City of Baltimore......

From: "PALMER S CLARK" <
Date: February 16, 2012 9:03:37 PM EST
To: "Krista Michael", "Mom Dot Robertson">, "Becky", "Helen Riegger">, "Jose-Luis Martinez" >, "ROBERT HUGHES JR." , "Dan Smith" <, "Allison Corbett", "Fr. Vincent Peterson", "Jeremiah Clark"
Subject: Fw: Fwd: THIS IS VERY SPECIAL!!!!!

Pray for Penny in her struggle for mental health.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Penny Calkins
To: Amanda Malejko ; Barbara Brisbin ; Brian Neison ; PALMER S CLARK ; damondave7; Darla Thomas ; davidkeith7 ; Dick Keith ; Dorothy Green ; heide holguin ; Jenny Humphreys ; Jim Walker ; jim.kaiser ; joan ryder ; June Eckstein ; karen gutierrez ; Linda Pirkle ; Lois Keith ; Marty Lease ; mary lutz ; Pat Georgens ; Rebecca Steiger ; roxanne2lane; Robert Keith ; Ryan Georgens ; sandy Johnson ; schmidtwj; Shaun Dunn ; Victoria Cramer
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Fw: Fwd: THIS IS VERY SPECIAL!!!!!

To those I love and miss.
Please read this and know that my heart is better
for reading this beautiful message my dad sent to his
daughter who's had some tough times.  "thanks dad"~

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Dick Keith
To: pscalkins
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Fwd: THIS IS VERY SPECIAL!!!!!
---------- Forwarded message ----------From: Dick Keith Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:45 AMSubject: Fwd: THIS IS VERY SPECIAL!!!!!To: onesaltybird
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Change Your Thinking

It will take just 37 seconds to read this and change your thinking.

Two men, both seriously ill, occupied the same hospital room.

One man was allowed to sit up in his bed for an hour each afternoon to help drain the fluid from his lungs.
His bed was next to the room's only window.

The other man had to spend all his time flat on his back.

The men talked for hours on end.

They spoke of their wives and families, their homes, their jobs, their involvement in the military service, where they had been on vacation..

Every afternoon, when the man in the bed by the window could sit up, he would pass the time by describing to his roommate all the things he could see outside the window.

The man in the other bed began to live for those one hour periods where his world would be broadened and enlivened by all the activity and color of the world outside.


The window overlooked a park with a lovely lake

Ducks and swans played on the water while children sailed their model boats. Young lovers walked arm in arm amidst flowers of every color and a fine view of the city skyline could be seen in the distance.


As the man by the window described all this in exquisite details, the man on the other side of the room would close his eyes and imagine this picturesque scene.


One warm afternoon, the man by the window described a parade passing by.


Although the other man could not hear the band - he could see it in his mind's eye as the gentleman by the window portrayed it with descriptive words.
Days, weeks and months passed.


One morning, the day nurse arrived to bring water for their baths only to find the lifeless body of the man by the window, who had died peacefully in his sleep.


She was saddened and called the hospital attendants to take the body away.

As soon as it seemed appropriate, the other man asked if he could be moved next to the window. The nurse was happy to make the switch, and after making sure he was comfortable, she left him alone.


Slowly, painfully, he propped himself up on one elbow to take his first look at the real world outside.
He strained to slowly turn to look out the window besides the bed.
It faced a blank wall..


The man asked the nurse what could have compelled his deceased roommate who had described such wonderful things outside this window.


The nurse responded that the man was blind and could not even see the wall.

She said, 'Perhaps he just wanted to encourage you.'


Epilogue:


There is tremendous happiness in making others happy, despite our own situations.

Shared grief is half the sorrow, but happiness when shared, is doubled.

If you want to feel rich, just count all the things you have that money can't buy.


'Today is a gift, that is why it is called The Present .'


The origin of this letter is unknown, but it brings good luck to everyone who passes it on.

Do not keep this letter

I hope you will forward it to all your friends to whom you wish blessings.

Wishing you ~
Heaven in your Heart,
Starlight in your Soul and
Miracles in your Life.
 
When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.
Live your life so that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice

To those I love and miss.
Please read this and know that my heart is better
for reading this beautiful message my dad sent to his
daughter who's had some tough times.  "thanks dad"~

And so it goes.....

.

[Jake Reason]

Feb 17, 2012 13:34:08 GMT -7 dan said:

Jim is the second newest member of Cy's forum.

As I'm wont to say, the plot does continue to thicken......

I write: "Did you not see the pretty rose crusi dress?"

.....and then minutes later, (out of left field-removed from the context of this discussion), you post the above from Jim (6equj5)?.

hmmm, is this some sort of synchronicity? Though I have no idea for why.

anyhow... back to watching Arn: The Knight Templar, with my sauvignon at side.

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Thank you for Keith's lore to Penny.
Yes, 'the wall' is but a veil we wear to shroud the world from our deepest hopes and dreams.

Ollie Ollie outs come free

[brenatom]

Here is my little chronology..... www.bestpossibleworld.com/nexu66.htm#timeline 

Where I had been holding forth, for the past four years, went up in flames, at the first of the year.......  lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi. 

What did you do as our saviour, pray little chicken?

WWCD?

[dan]

Ok, let me try this again......

For the time being, however, I will be sticking with this BMH thread, before either returning to the 'Who Do We Think....' thread, or starting with a new topic.

I will be taking a broader, historical and philosophical overview of where we are coming from, which, among other things will help us better understand the context for Barbara Marx Hubbard.

What we are seeing is an extended transition from the modern to the postmodern. The essential features of modernism were to be found in the Copernican revolution of 1543, which was based on the overthrow of the Ptolemaic cosmology of classical antiquity.


Hi Bren......

WWCD...., yes, indeed. I was mainly just looking for a safe harbor, in the storm, and Cy's place is what hove into sight. I'm am feeling a bit relieved by not having those 11,000 posts hanging over my head. It is a bit of a fresh start.

I would be very pleased if you would like to join our little conversation here, around the old potbellied stove, used by us wannabe shepherds.
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And here I am, wishing to overthrow Copernicus....... per impossible? This possibility is the very last thing on the minds of our postmodern friends. It is simply unimaginable to them. This is the last remnant of modernism, to which they cling for their dear lives. Were they ever to let go of that life-preserver, they know they would be meeting their Maker, for sure.

How can we ever turn back the clock on Copernicus? Would that not be the height of folly, nay, insanity? Well, seeing as how I've been certified to be insane, that should be no problem!

Instead, the postmodernists content themselves with just nibbling around the edges of modernism. They stay well away from the hardcore or third-rail that is Copernicus. The entire edifice would crumble, and who is going to pick up the pieces?

As a result, the postmodernists embrace irrationality and mysticism. These are the mice who play, while the Cat is away. Each one can spin their own little yarns, not fearing that a Metanarrative will ever catch up with them.

The New Age movement is a case in point, and BMH is an elder statesman of that movement, and a spokeswoman for the Human Potential movement (HPM) within that broader spectrum.

In that wiki entry, the HPM is said to be aligned with Humanistic psychology, and so is located between psychoanalysis and Transpersonal psychology.

The New Agers tended to dabble in the Transpersonal, but were reluctant to ever embrace it, except, perhaps, experientially, in the occasional altered state.

As an avowed Personalist, what do I make of the transpersonal? Well, I am strongly opposed to Transhumanism, which is another animal, altogether. What I am thinking of are our encounters with the Numinous, an idea not totally apart from Kant's notion of the Noumenal realm. Kant, somewhat after the fashion of Descartes, drove a wedge between the noumenal and the phenomenal realms, thus paving the way for the sensory and analytic orientation of modern philosophy.

I would suggest that the Numinous is something akin to the glue that holds the world together. It is embedded in our most mundane experiences, but which we seldom experience in its raw form, wherein it become the mysterium tremendum. The kundalini experience might be another form of it. It is what might also be considered as something hyper-personal. It cuts to the quick of our often fragile psyches.

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[skaizlimit]

Very good, Jake; I knew this all the time, but was checking to see if you did.

Some of my ancestors were Masons. My father left me with some Masonic paraphenalia, but a visiting Puerto Rican upon seeing them threw them into the fire place thus destroying them.

But onto the noumenal realm. Seems there is something to it, and it can be uncanny at times.