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Post by Greatwaller on Jan 12, 2012 19:30:31 GMT -7
Dear folks, you may be interested to know that I've justed posted in my forum: free120forum.proboards.com a new subject about CYBERBULLYING. Three-quarters of people questioned thought cyberbullying differed from other types of harassment and warranted special attention and efforts from parents and schools. If you have children please read this article because nearly one-forth of parents around the world are acutely aware that some youngsters have been victims and links ultimately to teen suicide. GW |
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Post by q on Jan 12, 2012 19:35:46 GMT -7
Can't wait....... You never answered regarding how lying to the oathkeepers is any different than lying to the ufo community. So if there was a source x....disclosing secret info to the oathkeepers...who claim to be active military....and was passing you info in a public forum anonymously....and you discovered he was a fraud...you would just keep that to yourself? You would go ahead and let others believe the lies? Answer the question for once instead of dodging it. Yes Cy has dodged answering this question directly. Though oathkeepers has absolutley nothing to do with OMF, oathkeepers is used in this hypothetical question because Cy supports the oathkeepers. She finds the oathkeepers to be just as important as any member of OMF found ufology to be important. So the parallel is reasonable. I would like to see this answered by Cy. If I'm not mistaken, she should surely answer no. If she found that false fraudulent info was being dissemintated to the oathkeepers, she could not/would not keep such info to herself. Why she will not give a definitive clear answer is most intriguing. |
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Post by nibs on Jan 12, 2012 20:18:58 GMT -7
I for one don't see any reason to defend OMF but I will say this... Stephenville was hosted there and anyone that thinks that was just another hoax needs to get their head examined.. The site was loaded with heaping tons of personal contact with beings from other worlds , dimensions etc that I'd say in every such account could not be supported by evidence. Not the kind of evidence Mur wants. Stephenville, ricky sorrells, anjolina etc.. is IMO one of the strongest UFO accounts to date- supported with Radar tracking. And it took place at OMF. And so to say everything there took place to gain a 6000 + membership is non sense.... Did I say that? The Texas case was a good one.. I never claimed hoax for that. And I never said that every one who wanted to post their experiences needed to back it up with proof either. But when someone makes extraordinary claims, over an extended period of time....on their own board....should an attempt not be made to fact check? Does anyone think fact checking is important? I never directly said you said it Mur. We all get it. Your beef is RT whom CY was so heavily invested. I don't see her preaching about it anymore.. At this Point, why care about that anymore? You already said you lost a couple years of "time" over the non sense. Why waste any more? On anyone connected to it. Or about it. I mean why? It's dead. I say this. Until the pickles show back up with their re-loaded AK-silicone based bullets, Let the dead dog lie.. There's no facts left to check for. Done , over , kaput! ! |
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Post by mur on Jan 12, 2012 20:26:46 GMT -7
Actually she called me a murderer about the way I handled the the exposing of the hoax.
So I asked a hypothetical question about how she would handle a similar situation.
She dodged the question....which in itself is a telling admission.
Could it be she was in fact aware of the fraud before anyone else?
She also did her best to tie the oathkeeper agenda to the source A thread.
That board is gone, but I remember and I bet many others do as well.
But your right....that hoax is over.
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Post by mur on Jan 12, 2012 20:27:40 GMT -7
Can't wait....... You never answered regarding how lying to the oathkeepers is any different than lying to the ufo community. So if there was a source x....disclosing secret info to the oathkeepers...who claim to be active military....and was passing you info in a public forum anonymously....and you discovered he was a fraud...you would just keep that to yourself? You would go ahead and let others believe the lies? Answer the question for once instead of dodging it. Yes Cy has dodged answering this question directly. Though oathkeepers has absolutley nothing to do with OMF, oathkeepers is used in this hypothetical question because Cy supports the oathkeepers. She finds the oathkeepers to be just as important as any member of OMF found ufology to be important. So the parallel is reasonable. I would like to see this answered by Cy. If I'm not mistaken, she should surely answer no. If she found that false fraudulent info was being dissemintated to the oathkeepers, she could not/would not keep such info to herself. Why she will not give a definitive clear answer is most intriguing. Yes and thank you |
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Post by nibs on Jan 12, 2012 20:41:33 GMT -7
Actually she called me a murderer about the way I handled the the exposing of the hoax. So I asked a hypothetical question about how she would handle a similar situation. She dodged the question....which in itself is a telling admission. Could it be she was in fact aware of the fraud before anyone else? She also did her best to tie the oathkeeper agenda to the source A thread. That board is gone, but I remember and I bet many others do as well. But your right....that hoax is over. Fine, Fine. You win. At sunrise we'll have to burn her at the stake! Ya know Mur, i'm working on my own hoax!!  remember that kid in the blow up ufo from Colorado? Parents were prosecuted for it?? I'm thinking like a whole community of peeps in blow up saucer shaped balloons with laser lights and some funky music! Though in some Nike shoes and off we go!! My point Mur?? Who made you the ufo message boards fact checking "Moderator" ? Haa haaa haa...  -------------------------------------------- Is this what the real problem is?? He was never prosecuted?? Like this: Richard Heene's attorney announced on November 12, 2009 that both parents intended to plead guilty to the charges filed against them, for which the prosecutor would recommend probation.[60] The attorney's statement said that the threat of deportation of his wife, Mayumi Heene, who is a Japanese citizen, was a factor in the plea negotiations.[61] On November 13, Richard Heene pled guilty to a felony charge of attempting to influence a public servant. Mayumi Heene did not appear with him, but still faced a misdemeanor charge of false reporting to authorities.[62] However, on January 7, 2010, Richard Heene told authorities that he only pled guilty to prevent his wife's potential deportation.[63] On December 23, 2009, a judge sentenced Richard Heene to 90 days in jail and 100 hours of community service. He was also ordered to write a formal apology to the agencies that searched for Falcon. Mayumi Heene was sentenced to 20 days in jail, to be served through jail-supervised community service for two days a week. Mayumi was also allowed to begin her sentence after her husband's ended in order to ensure her children would be cared for.[64] The Heenes were also banned from receiving any profits from the hoax for several years.[65] Richard Heene was also ordered to pay $36,000 in restitution. |
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Post by mur on Jan 12, 2012 22:09:21 GMT -7
Fine, Fine. You win. At sunrise we'll have to burn her at the stake! Ya know Mur, i'm working on my own hoax!! remember that kid in the blow up ufo from Colorado? Parents were prosecuted for it?? I'm thinking like a whole community of peeps in blow up saucer shaped balloons with laser lights and some funky music! Though in some Nike shoes and off we go!! My point Mur?? Who made you the ufo message boards fact checking "Moderator" ? Haa haaa haa... -------------------------------------------- Point taken and that's seriously funny. I'm way too sane to be hanging out here....lol |
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Post by midnight on Jan 12, 2012 23:48:19 GMT -7
I haven't read everything in this thread, but I have read some of it. I think those of you that tried to establish a polite interaction with Mur have showed that you are trying hard to get along with him. This is usually a good thing.
But anyone who has checked out Reality Uncovered and Amkon know that Mur doesn't just disagree with some of the former OM posters. He feels contempt for you. He has ridiculed you (and me, though his contempt for me effects my mind as much as a fruit fly flying by my left ear) on the other two sites. Over many months.
Mur epitomizes the meaning of "two-faced". He is is semi-polite on this site because he knows it is probably necessary. But on the other two sites he is insulting and derisive to the max. Mur has two faces, and the one he presents here is not the real one.
Amkon and Reality Uncovered are his true home. Rude, opinionated, close-minded.
It is commendable that you are letting him express himself here, but he is laughing at you with every word he types.
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Post by dove on Jan 13, 2012 5:31:16 GMT -7
Hello everyone. Just thought I'd stop by and say a few things.
@ Jake and Earthman
Thank you. I appreciate it. Yes, Jake, I thought I did a good job of holding my own over there at the other place. I certainly put up with a lot that day in order to be able to air my views and questions. It was a painful day, in more ways than one.
And Toon's right—they're not wanting to answer questions; that's why the thread was closed like 10 minutes after I posted my last response. My pointed and valid questions to Doc went unanswered, for the most part; he never replied to my last post addressed to him. Of course, Ivo didn't answer me in response to his “dead horse” comment. What would he say, eh? “Yes, Dove, I want you to quit responding the posts addressed to you.”? Lol.
If the admins of the other place wanted to set the record straight regarding that homepage URL and the costs of the forum, why wouldn't they do that when asked? Apparently they're fine with the answers given by Jake and Bren at OM since they won't correct these things (maybe because they can't be corrected?). If you say that to them, they'll get defensive and say that they're not obliged to tell us anything. That sounds like redirection to me. If they want anyone to believe them, then they ARE obliged to tell the truth.
IMO, someone somewhere is lying or covering up the truth. Was it Bren and Jake? Is it the admins at the other place? Sure would be nice to know.
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Post by dove on Jan 13, 2012 5:40:15 GMT -7
Fore: I asked people to get Jakes email but nothing was ever forthcoming. I only had Doves, ScaRz email and two others. But they aren't the right people to ask for an intervention. (most of those left or were "on the edge"...cough "dove") Not sure what that's supposed to mean. I sincerely hope you weren't slamming me there. You know damn well that I had crossed the line and couldn't do anymore. So I hope that's what you mean by “on the edge”. Again, what's that supposed to mean? Pulling activist stunts? How do you figure? I was banned. How do you think I had anything to do with being reinstated? He did that because there were people there who supported me. And yes, I tried my best to get the encounters subforum un-hidden again. He wasn't responding at all and wouldn't even try to explain why he hid it. I knew why, of course. But after being able to log in again, I wasn't going to blow it by pushing the issue. I just wanted to copy/paste my posts and keep out of the fray. Not possible all the time, of course, but that was the plan when I came back. I was going to PM Jake and have him ask Bren to open the subforum again, since I thought Jake was the only one there that he trusted. But before I could do that, you and the boys from the other place succeeded in shutting down OM. No, it wasn't. That ditty with Zorgon had nothing to do with the closure. Leave him out of it. Ed was the nail in the coffin; he's admitted that much himself. Five pages of NOTHING. Lol. You still going on about that? Those were internal reports made over the past couple years or so. I did correct you. If you weren't listening, maybe you should fix your fuzzy filter. Yeah, that was a dig on me by GW. He got his way and Bren banned me. That was the “turtle” that was gotten off his back.  As you can tell from my first post on the forum, I don't make up things. But Dove is correct when she said I missed facts and mis-understood the situations that I witnessed on the last days of the forum. This is not an opening for her to say "I told you so" or attack me for admitting it when I am wrong. LOL. Oh, but I DID tell you. I'm glad you finally “got it”. Why would I attack you for admitting that you were wrong? I asked you to do that; to prove yourself as a man and admit that you were incorrect. Why do you think I would meet that admission with an attack? No. The reports in the “reported posts audit” thread were the ones you were talking about and the ones I corrected you on. Those several pages of screen caps were in that thread and not the “28.11” thread (the “another warning from PB” thread). That (“28.11”) thread contained only one warning; the last one that Bren announced (aside from the screenie of the personal message he received, which Jake then started a thread about). Don't confuse things more than they are already, Fore. Keep the threads and posts straight, please. Lol, why should I know how many reports were made to PB? I didn't make any of them. How many did you make? How many did Ed make? Then ask your buddy ivo how many he made (along with the other co-admins, perhaps); add those up and you'll have your total number of reports made to PB. Don't ask the OM membership; we don't know because we weren't the ones narking on the forum... I still think you should have thought that through more carefully before making that thread at PB. I know that you know this was a contributing factor, if not one of the main factors. You know as well as me and everyone else that your thread was a serious blow to the forum. You can deny that all you want, but that doesn't mean you're right about it. |
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Post by dove on Jan 13, 2012 5:42:19 GMT -7
This post sounds very much like GW. Maybe you could check the ISP for it and compare it to GW's other posts, Cy. I, for one, would be interested in knowing whether it's the same one or not. It wouldn't surprise me, given what he posted at the other place on the 23rd of December... I think you are wrong about Bren. He never has admitted to any mistakes ever publicly on the board. That's out of whack with your assessment. Hi Mur; Agreed. The perception of success of OMF has got the better of Bren. He is egoistic, proud and don't allow any opposition which he would mercilessly put down...just witnessed how he instituted the bans of members who disagreed with him. Since those Co-Admins left, Bren withdrew himself into a high tower and tried to disrupt the threads by devious means until the complaints had reach astronomical proportion to Proboards which must act at once. The demise of OMF with 6,600 members should rest on the shoulders of Bren...he wrecked the organization which he nurtured. Bren is now licking his wounds and cursing all but himself. Though I am critical, but I am telling the truth about Bren. |
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Post by dove on Jan 13, 2012 5:57:58 GMT -7
@ GW In the closing days of OMF, there was a thread which emblazoned with the glaring title: Is OMF dead? Whoever initiate this post must indeed be well-informed given the increasing chaos and mounting satisfaction, rising to a crescendo among members. I recalled the Cy and myself were asked to justify why we were not there as mods even though we were not obliged to need anybody's approval or not for our abscence. This, therefore, was a good example of how even a member dared to criticize us when we had to deal with our private life first. Then Bren who was watching in the sideline was compelled to step in to exercise discipline, much to the displeasure of several members. We as mods don't have the power anymore to arbitirate disputes nor deal with determined puppy sockets, ever since the general meltdown! We could only stand by helplessly and try to calm matters and by sending a stream of PMs to Admin who didn't even bother to respond at all. He must have known the end is in sight too! As the complains mounted...we know the end was near. The rest is now history, friends. GW I see you're still whining about something that never happened. Why don't you give it a rest, pal? If you think what I wrote in that thread was a personal or verbal attack, then you have a lot to learn (you too, Cy). If you don't know what constitutes a verbal or personal attack, you (both) should visit Amkon to see what they have to say about you; you'll see what a real attack is there. I can't believe you're still going on and on about how you feel singled out. You've propagated this myth (of me attacking you) in several posts at OM and now you're dragging it on here. Unbelievable. I feel sorry for you if you think my statements were personal attacks on you. Nothing in my posts there at OM in that thread were threatening or personal. Pointing out facts does NOT constitute a personal or verbal attack. Period. I think for the record, I'll post what I said, so that anyone reading along (who didn't see it the first time) can judge for themselves whether or not I was “harassing” or attacking you. First off, if you had a clue as to what was going on there, none of that would have happened. Some “senior” moderator you were, eh? My first reply was a clarification of the facts. First of all, I was just pointing out the obvious. You didn't have a clue as to why that thread was started, apparently. You blamed the warning on the members, when in fact the warning was issued b/c of Bren (and Jake's) posts. Second of all, my response was in support of the forum. Nothing wrong there, IMO. At that time, the URL was still being redirected to the other forum (or it had been until recently; idk when they stopped doing that). Then Cy responds: If Bren didn't want to have that warning noticed, he wouldn't have started that thread. If he didn't want to draw attention to it, why would he have done that? If he didn't want comments to the thread, why didn't he lock it? My reply to Cy: Notice that I wasn't attacking you, GW. If you think me saying that you didn't “get it” was an attack, you're quite mistaken. You *didn't* get it. Obviously. Cy steps in again at this point and gives me a formal notice of moderation, which was unnecessary and only fueled the problems. I replied in kind: I guess this is where you think I was harassing you? Pointing out the obvious is an attack? How do you figure, GW (and Cy)? There was nothing in my post that could be construed as a verbal attack. Again, go read amkon if you want to see what a real attack feels like. They haven't had very many kind words for you (quite rightly, IMO). The fact is that I DID stay there and support the forum while you two went off somewhere for almost 2 years. If you feel slighted by that statement, that's your own deal(s). I wasn't slandering you, I was pointing out something that was true and that everyone knows. I don't care why you were gone. I wasn't asking you to justify your absence; it was a rhetorical question. But since both of you did explain yourself, I'll reply to that—Cy first. As for your “explanation” about why you skipped out for almost 2 years—I find that pretty funny. IMO, the real reason is because of the Source A debacle. Once they were outed and stopped coming around, you also then stopped posting. I presume this was because you were ashamed of your undying support of them and when they were finally called fully out, you were unable to face the forum. You may have logged in once and a while, but you weren't posting or contributing in any way. Not until the SHTF did you come riding your horse back into the forum. No, it isn't anyone's business what you were or GW were doing during that time; but the simple fact is that you both DID leave for a very extended amount of time, only to resurface when things were really going rotten at OM. Neither one of you contributed to bringing that forum up from the depths of despair it was in after Source A was outed. THAT was the point of my post. You left OM for 2 years. I did not. I stayed and kept posting in order to show that OM wasn't all about Source A or Serpo. There was much more to that forum than those two hoaxes. GW's excuse of being sick is fine and dandy. Shit happens, eh? (Oh, but he was miraculously well enough to come back when it was convenient. Amazing how he went from never being there to policing the boards for hours at a time, but whatever...) But for your information, I have not only been sick and partially disabled for over 6 years, I've also had to spend day after day after day on that forum being psychically attacked and bothered by those who didn't want me to open people's eyes and by those who didn't like the multitude of questions I asked some members in order to prompt them to talk about things that weren't supposed to be discussed (sound familiar, Fore?). There was a huge price to pay for doing what I did, which was to stick it out and continue to help people and wake up those who were still sleeping. Much more than that went on, as well, but of course you wouldn't know about it because you had bailed out on OM and Bren long before all that. Calling me an “arrogant turtle” and “troublemaker” because I pointed out the obvious (which you couldn't handle) is really childish. I can't believe how you repeatedly flaunted the fact that I got banned. And I REALLY can't believe that you both would sway Bren to ban me when I was one of the only remaining loyal and prolific posters left. Only Jake surpassed me in post counts. No wonder, since he was there for a couple years before me. Nobody else besides you two thought there was anything wrong with my posts in that thread. Nobody else but you thought it was right that I got banned by the three of you for what I said. The truth may hurt, but that doesn't mean that it's an attack on the person. You may not like the truth, and you may not want others to know it or recognize it, but the truth is the truth. You will never change that. Though you will undoubtedly try.... |
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Post by dove on Jan 13, 2012 6:07:32 GMT -7
Hi guys; I just got here by following the direction of an email sent to me by Cys some days ago! Well...Cys, Agent 99 and myself had tried to save OMF from demise, even though we thought would come about sooner or later....at the deplorable state of affairs...members become disorderly...and sometimes openly accuse one another...! But this "nightmare" at OMF is now over...thank God! I have now established my own forum which is known as free120forum.proboards.comIf any of our friends decided to visit with me at this forum, you are always welcome and equally welcome would be write a post or two to grace my "infantile" forum...! Any enterprise begins with just one small step....and this is what I am doing or already accomplished. I am tired of being bossed around and I decided to strike out on my own now as the administrator of this forum. Finally, I end here by saying that I joined the now defunct OMF as a member on February of 2005 after being inspired by SERPO Chronicle which I heard one night by the famous Art Bell.... I could never dream that someday in future...I wish I could have the crystal ball...that OMF...like any public organization would come to such a sad end through incompetence and factional bouts and perhaps by sheer neglect. I have learned a lesson as I am trying out on my own to establish my own forum and will try to be a good, understanding and fair admin. I hope you guys which we have been together at OMF would guide and help me in anyway possible with this forum of mine. One small step which I attempted to take....and another one. See you all there, friends. Take care and all the very best in this world of uncertainty...! Greatwaller ;D Well...ex OMF folks...since I posted the above message, several former members have had visited my forum. I thank you all very much in response to my cordial invitation. I hope more former members will find time to visit my forum and leave a message for me to either read or follow up. Please regard my forum as the beginning where OMF has left off... I make no apologies, nor am I ungrateful, but if OMF no longer exists now...let those "ronnins" have a multiple and free choice to visit any forum which has a link to the past... And my forum: http://free 120forum.proboards.com would in time be able to operate as good as our once OMF...with your support, fellow ex-OMF members. Cheers; Greatwaller ;D BTW, does anyone else feel like they've been spammed every time they read a post from GW at this forum? He's plugged his new forum and spammed you with the link to it in at least half the posts he's made. How nice. Very clear to see his agenda, too—wanting to replace OM. LOL. That will never happen. Nice try, though. And yes, GW, if you want to consider what I wrote in my post to you a “verbal attack”, to quote Cy, then you may do so. It would be much closer to the truth than what you've written about me before, which was totally false. Though, of course, I haven't resorted to calling you names like Great-swallower, as some have done. |
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Post by dove on Jan 13, 2012 6:11:03 GMT -7
I'm sure it will be a relief to some of you to know that I was just stopping by one time. I hopefully won't be back again. I would only do so if I felt a reply to someone was warranted. Good luck with your new forum(s).
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Post by P on Jan 13, 2012 6:21:22 GMT -7
Well said dove, it was pretty clear right from the start, and it is a shame that you even have to spell it out for people!
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remember that kid in the blow up ufo from Colorado? Parents were prosecuted for it?? I'm thinking like a whole community of peeps in blow up saucer shaped balloons with laser lights and some funky music! Though in some Nike shoes and off we go!!
