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Post by Guest on Jan 13, 2012 13:37:11 GMT -7
Hi all,
I'm the original "guest" who has chosen not to sign up for an account... for the moment. I'm not sure where I wanted to hang my hat.
All of this drama is very interesting to a semi-outsider. I registered at lucianarchy back in the day and believe I was a member in good standing. I wasn't involved in any drama that I know of. While I haven't participated in a long time, I continued to read the forum and follow the subjects of interest to me.
I'm sure my story so far is riveting and you can't wait for what I have to say next! Haha!
Here is where I stand on the whole thing. If you wish to correct any of my perceptions, please do let me know.
Bren had some issues to deal with and was MIA for awhile. Some drama with mods and former mods and other strong personalities from the forum's past occurred. A split happened and some of the mods, former mods and others that were banninated from the OM forum start up their own forum.
Some folks complained about some posts on OM stating that some posts about them were libelous (though I'm not sure it's even possible to legally libel an anonymous forum pseudonym that no one associates with a person's actual name or character) and OM gets suspended.
Now, we have some (apparently) well-intentioned folks trying to keep the fellow traveler community together. The OP forum folks and the OM forum folks both seem to be working towards this, but the OM forum folks think the OP forum folks are dicks for what they did and will never register there.
You also have some OP forum folks who didn't care for the way OM was being moderated, yet, from what I can tell, things haven't changed much.
Gotta say, I'm tempted to grow my own tribble. I find all of the various paranormal and fringe topics to be fascinating. It might be time for the kids to get away from the absentee father and the co-dependent, over-controlling mother and go live with the not-so-crazy uncle who lives on an idyllic farm with puppies and horses...
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 13, 2012 14:26:16 GMT -7
Alright folks, due to the recent outbreak of inappropriate posting, moniker insults, etc I've made the unfortunate decision to revoke guest posting until further notice. My apologies to those who posted as guests with honor and respect. You will now need to become members to post. Reading the forum is still available at this time. The decision is non-negotiable, but you welcome to discuss it if you feel the need.
Yes I realize I don't owe anyone an explanation for moderating CM but I'm putting this out here so that those who are only observing may take note that there is good reason for the recent bannings, & post deletions. Those were minimal.
This forum was made available so that Open Minds Forum members as a reconvene location.
And this thread was created so that members could discuss the issues that contributed to the suspension of the original forum....NOT CASES on that forum. It is about introspection, so that the renewed forum might avoid the same mistakes and return to its work as a platform for communication, interaction, and discovery.
Cyrellys
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Post by a99 on Jan 13, 2012 16:09:47 GMT -7
hi mur.
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Post by a99 on Jan 13, 2012 16:16:07 GMT -7
Lol....
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Post by mdonnall2002 on Jan 13, 2012 16:37:25 GMT -7
The moth to the flames .......always seeking something outside....itself.....
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Post by a99 on Jan 13, 2012 18:01:07 GMT -7
... when it comes to those it blames.
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Post by fore on Jan 13, 2012 19:22:33 GMT -7
*Sigh* Fore, don't tell me to "relax a bit", eh. Half the time you talk out of the side of your mouth, so why would you expect that I wouldn't know if you are tearing me down or supporting me those times?  You've done that to me and others so many times that it's sometimes hard to tell what your true meaning is. Besides that, the clarity of your sentences leaves a little to be desired sometimes. Like the one below. By rearranging the order of the words a bit, your true meaning would have been seen. As it is, it sounds like you're saying that my reinstatement was done b/c of my "activist stunts" rather than my ban being caused by them. Which makes no sense at all, of course, and which is why I asked for clarification. I mean Dove couldn't even get him to unhide the encounters section. She was banned (Bren wasn't fond of her) and then reinstated after she pulled one too many activist stunts. If you have trouble with the way I write, please hire an interpreter or simply ask BEFORE putting your own ideas into what I have just said. |
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Post by nibs on Jan 13, 2012 19:24:56 GMT -7
The moth to the flames .......always seeking something outside....itself..... "What we have here is a failure to communicate!" "Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men." Haaaa |
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 13, 2012 19:38:28 GMT -7
It wouldn't matter about your IP Mur. Banning is based on your Conduct not on who you are. That's why I call it "Horse-Training". There's the easy way, the hard way, and then there's my way. The easy way is is cordial, respectful, and with decency. The hard way is community disapproval and will be the decision of the moderators. My way is the Sword and Hatchet.
And that goes for any other joker who wants to play games with me.
I have one policy on that level of conduct at Compass Morainn, folks: we shoot every third salesman and the second one just left.
Cy
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Post by fore on Jan 13, 2012 19:41:45 GMT -7
If you want to turn a blind eye to half of what is going on at OMF at the time then go ahead. Everyone likes a story that is half baked it seems. The prior year's activity wasn't the reason OM got suspended, and everyone knows that. It made the forum a crappy place to be on some days, for sure, but it wasn't the demise of OM. I am not referring to a prior year. I am refering to the back and forth in Ed Fouches thread where his credibility, identity and prior work was being discussed [Attacked]. I really must not be giving enough cues on what I am refering to or you must not be picking up on what I am saying. I am going into legalese typing mode in order to compensate... Quit doing that. You're deflecting again. The biggest reason for the suspension was the co-admin reports to PB, True. All parties made claims, some WAY MORE than others. Whom had the hot button at PB is Ed Fouche if you want my opinion. You though can go ahead and weigh my 2 or 3 over the course of a month vs Ed's 10 and the Co-Admins (unknown). And for that matter you might also ad Bren for culpability. He was even *warned to stop repeatedly putting up Libel statements* that they [Proboards] kept repeatedly deleting. Not once, not twice, but three or more times! <--- Pointing this out so it sticks onto your membrane of events. (Yes, now I am being a bit rude in pointing this out) your thread at PB (and reports?), and Ed's reports. My thread at PB was apparently ignored, probably for the reasons you pointed out. They probably went to the links and found a topic that was irrelevant to thread moving. As far as I know no action is done by them unless they actually contact you about it. It doesn't even matter now; what's done is done. I'm just telling you what I think the real reasons are (and apparently I'm not the only one who sees this). Well then go forward in the half baked ideas. As for why the Co-Admins PROBABLY don't comment on the URL issue, it is probably because there is a legal issue to be hammered out between them and Bren. People rarely comment on these issues when courts are being swung about over peoples head. Recalled event #1 The only thing I know about this is I recall when Chris bought the URL and I recall the amount he stated at the time. Recalled Fact #1: Bren stated that he gave the URL or the registration over to Chris as "a Gift". Then goes on to say it was actually a Joint ownership (of the URL?) Recalled Fact #2: Bren stated how many people were a part of the Joint ownership/legal contract. Recalled Fact #3: Jake then corrects Bren on Jeddyhi actually not being a joint owner of the ?URL? or of OMF. If they don't want to comment on it, I guess you'd have to beat down their door about it. As for what I saw when I looked up the registrant information for the domain, I ONLY saw and witnessed Chris as the registrant as far back as Network Solutions kept the logs. I do not doubt that Bren (IMO) owned the URL at one time. But if he gave it as "a gift", whom knows? That it (the URL) was redirected to TOP is probably (IMO) a tactic to probably get even with Bren tossing everyone out whom supported OMF. Last time I saw it, the website made by Garuda (and I think Calikid) was not available or simply is empty. (Again, Bren didn't put this OMF resource together as far as I know.) Edit: He kicked these people to the curb and they (as Doc mentioned) took the canned beer still on the porch. A little blow back is to be expected in these kinds of situations. Whether justified or not in those probable actions....it's for each individual to assess for themselves. That they didn't do more is amazing in itself. Edit2: Blowback in Brens case is: "The unintended adverse results of a political action or situation." Throw people to the curb....Shift happens. |
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Post by topgun on Jan 13, 2012 21:59:45 GMT -7
Alright folks, due to the recent outbreak of inappropriate posting, moniker insults, etc I've made the unfortunate decision to revoke guest posting until further notice. My apologies to those who posted as guests with honor and respect. You will now need to become members to post. Reading the forum is still available at this time. The decision is non-negotiable, but you welcome to discuss it if you feel the need. Yes I realize I don't owe anyone an explanation for moderating CM but I'm putting this out here so that those who are only observing may take note that there is good reason for the recent bannings, & post deletions. Those were minimal. This forum was made available so that Open Minds Forum members as a reconvene location. And this thread was created so that members could discuss the issues that contributed to the suspension of the original forum....NOT CASES on that forum. It is about introspection, so that the renewed forum might avoid the same mistakes and return to its work as a platform for communication, interaction, and discovery. Cyrellys Hi Cyrellys; Agreed. Discipline is needed or it will go the way of old OMF |
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 13, 2012 22:04:50 GMT -7
FORE...the last several posts you've made contains the same sort of personal disparagements that you flipped out about on OMF and that then led you to make complaints to the Proboards Hosting Company...that resulted in OMF being Suspended. I will ask you only ONCE to please remove those comments about a99. Then I will have to remove them myself. I'd rather not have to do that. Please Edit your posts. The issue of what you did to OMF is highly sensitive with ALL the members here. Due to this you of all people are on Probation with this forum and held to strict standards of conduct. No personal attacks or anything that can be construed as such. There can be no leniancy on this I'm afraid. Please do this now. I give it 1 hour. Time stamp 10:04 PM MST
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Post by a99 on Jan 13, 2012 22:16:00 GMT -7
Cy, should we be concerned that Fore will go and make false complaints to PB if we tell him to erase his false libelous information that he's got in his last 3 or 4 posts here now?
And you know, you did not make him moderator here like you did for a few others here already, he may be mad about that too... this would cause him to make some false reports to PB to close this place down just like he closed down OMF.
Definitely keeping Fore at this forum is going to cause all kinds of problems because if we do not do what he wants, he will then try to get PB to close this forum.
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 13, 2012 22:18:36 GMT -7
Alright folks, due to the recent outbreak of inappropriate posting, moniker insults, etc I've made the unfortunate decision to revoke guest posting until further notice. My apologies to those who posted as guests with honor and respect. You will now need to become members to post. Reading the forum is still available at this time. The decision is non-negotiable, but you welcome to discuss it if you feel the need. Yes I realize I don't owe anyone an explanation for moderating CM but I'm putting this out here so that those who are only observing may take note that there is good reason for the recent bannings, & post deletions. Those were minimal. This forum was made available so that Open Minds Forum members as a reconvene location. And this thread was created so that members could discuss the issues that contributed to the suspension of the original forum....NOT CASES on that forum. It is about introspection, so that the renewed forum might avoid the same mistakes and return to its work as a platform for communication, interaction, and discovery. Cyrellys Hi Cyrellys; Agreed. Discipline is needed or it will go the way of old OMF Welcome to Compass Morainn, Top Gun...I see you are a valued friend. Cy |
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 13, 2012 22:23:39 GMT -7
Cy, should we be concerned that Fore will go and make false complaints to PB if we tell him to erase his false libelous information that he's got in his last 3 or 4 posts here now? And you know, you did not make him moderator here like you did for a few others here already, he may be mad about that too... this would cause him to make some false reports to PB to close this place down just like he closed down OMF. Definitely keeping Fore at this forum is going to cause all kinds of problems because if we do not do what he wants, he will then try to get PB to close this forum. I am not Bren and this is not OMF. I'm not someone Fore wants to tangle with in that way. It would be patently unwise. Wouldn't it Fore? Cy |
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You've done that to me and others so many times that it's sometimes hard to tell what your true meaning is. 