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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 12, 2012 8:51:14 GMT -7
There is a proximate cause for the implosion of OMF. Fouche and Foreskin and other butthurts caused Proboards to pull it after making tens of despicable and disingenuous complaints out of a personal sense of pique. It's really as simple as that, GW. It runs even deeper than that Toon. The prior Admins & mods went to the lengths they did moderating members because of the incessent and pernicious Sock Attacks by your community. I sat back and watched it all prior to deciding to return to posting at OMF. I knew to an extent what I was getting myself into returning to posting. The Sock Attacks drove the Admins & Mods to behavior they never would have done otherwise....that chaos resulted in In-Fighting. The In-Fighting eventually evolved into the Split and later into the Complaints to ProBoards. The root of the Cause is over how information is handled and a lack of understanding about Communication and that Open Minds Forum was unique in that it was first and foremost about the INITIATION of Communication that then may or may not evolve into an eventual act of DISCLOSURE. The membership was who attempted to make Communication into Disclosure, something it is NOT. When the efforts resulted in unreconcilable disagreements and inflexibility the first thing that happened is GUESTS jumped ship. Then other GUESTS refused to participate. And then remaining GUESTS were hammered into oblivion and then InFIGHTERS turned on each other. Simple. Cy Edit to add: and now my input -- according to DIFFERENT GROUPS of observers, they observed exactly this and their opinion is THIS: you aren't ready...and may never be ready. that is the consequence of operating without determined boundaries of acceptable CONDUCT. Cyrellys |
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Post by Greatwaller on Jan 12, 2012 8:59:59 GMT -7
There is a proximate cause for the implosion of OMF. Fouche and Foreskin and other butthurts caused Proboards to pull it after making tens of despicable and disingenuous complaints out of a personal sense of pique. It's really as simple as that, GW. It runs even deeper than that Toon. The prior Admins & mods went to the lengths they did moderating members because of the incessent and pernicious Sock Attacks by your community. I sat back and watched it all prior to deciding to return to posting at OMF. I knew to an extent what I was getting myself into returning to posting. The Sock Attacks drove the Admins & Mods to behavior they never would have done otherwise....that chaos resulted in In-Fighting. The In-Fighting eventually evolved into the Split and later into the Complaints to ProBoards. The root of the Cause is over how information is handled and a lack of understanding about Communication and that Open Minds Forum was unique in that it was first and foremost about the INITIATION of Communication that then may or may not evolve into an eventual act of DISCLOSURE. The membership was who attempted to make Communication into Disclosure, something it is NOT. When the efforts resulted in unreconcilable disagreements and inflexibility the first thing that happened is GUESTS jumped ship. Then other GUESTS refused to participate. And then remaining GUESTS were hammered into oblivion and then InFIGHTERS turned on each other. Simple. Cy Edit to add: and now my input -- according to DIFFERENT GROUPS of observers, they observed exactly this and their opinion is THIS: you aren't ready...and may never be ready. that is the consequence of operating without determined boundaries of acceptable CONDUCT. Cyrellys Dear Cys, That was an excellent analysis of what happened at OMF. Perhaps Bren, the owner and leader would have learned a lesson now that he has been reported to be back in business with a new OMF in tow. Any idea, Cys? |
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 12, 2012 9:01:32 GMT -7
There is a proximate cause for the implosion of OMF. Fouche and Foreskin and other butthurts caused Proboards to pull it after making tens of despicable and disingenuous complaints out of a personal sense of pique. It's really as simple as that, GW. Dear Toon; There were shortcomings and neglects at OMF, especially to those missing or misdirected threads that members complain about. Then accusations and finger points started to fly. Then there is a theory about a ghost embedded within the system. The last few days at OMF were particularly trying and hectic with only Cys, Agent 99 and myself trying to cope with the members' requirements. At the back of our mind, OMF was indeed existing on borrowed time. We just hope that the ship we are sailing in wouldn't go without a fight to right the sails and helm. But when I checked in Sunday afternoon...OMF was no more! Not only was I felt sad but I was in a mild shock...now on hindsight...it would take a miracle to save OMF. A lesson is learned and we all who were once members at OMF should turn a new leaf and carry on the best we can with our own resources and this board here that are willing to accomodate our views and share them out. Thank you. GW ;D Good Morning Greatwaller, OMF does indeed have a future. That has been assured, but the time and place is yet to be determined because the membership needed to come to these understandings and learn to communicate with each other civiliy once again. That is what we are doing here. Thank you for participating. OMF will rise like the phoenix when the members are ready for it. They are doing a good job here proving themselves faster than observers expected. Cyrellys |
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Post by toon on Jan 12, 2012 9:06:35 GMT -7
And who exactly were these pernicious socks from 'my community?'
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 12, 2012 9:09:30 GMT -7
And who exactly were these pernicious socks from 'my community?' lol, if you don't already know then I'd suggest returning to read your community. Cy Edit to add: Because that's where and how I learned about it. Cy |
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Post by toon on Jan 12, 2012 9:16:53 GMT -7
If you're referring to Amkon, I'm unaware of any attack on OMF by socks originating there. Of course I rarely read at OMF because I was banned in 2007.
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 12, 2012 9:17:21 GMT -7
It runs even deeper than that Toon. The prior Admins & mods went to the lengths they did moderating members because of the incessent and pernicious Sock Attacks by your community. I sat back and watched it all prior to deciding to return to posting at OMF. I knew to an extent what I was getting myself into returning to posting. The Sock Attacks drove the Admins & Mods to behavior they never would have done otherwise....that chaos resulted in In-Fighting. The In-Fighting eventually evolved into the Split and later into the Complaints to ProBoards. The root of the Cause is over how information is handled and a lack of understanding about Communication and that Open Minds Forum was unique in that it was first and foremost about the INITIATION of Communication that then may or may not evolve into an eventual act of DISCLOSURE. The membership was who attempted to make Communication into Disclosure, something it is NOT. When the efforts resulted in unreconcilable disagreements and inflexibility the first thing that happened is GUESTS jumped ship. Then other GUESTS refused to participate. And then remaining GUESTS were hammered into oblivion and then InFIGHTERS turned on each other. Simple. Cy Edit to add: and now my input -- according to DIFFERENT GROUPS of observers, they observed exactly this and their opinion is THIS: you aren't ready...and may never be ready. that is the consequence of operating without determined boundaries of acceptable CONDUCT. Cyrellys Dear Cys, That was an excellent analysis of what happened at OMF. Perhaps Bren, the owner and leader would have learned a lesson now that he has been reported to be back in business with a new OMF in tow. Any idea, Cys? Thank you GW. I'm not yet fully up to speed on todays developments and I have yet to speak directly with Bren myself. I've been focused on helping the members here work out what happened and have their say in how they felt about it so that others could see it through their eyes too. None of it can be faced and done differently in OMF Reborn if this does not happen....they are proving they have hope by speaking with each other here. Bren is invited, but I do believe he's been busy. Cy |
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 12, 2012 9:19:20 GMT -7
If you're referring to Amkon, I'm unaware of any attack on OMF by socks originating there. Of course I rarely read at OMF because I was banned in 2007. It was at Amkon that I learned these things not OMF. Would you like to participate in the reborn OMF? If so what concessions would you be willing to make? How would you like to be treated differently? Cy |
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Post by Greatwaller on Jan 12, 2012 9:27:19 GMT -7
In the closing days of OMF, there was a thread which emblazoned with the glaring title: Is OMF dead?
Whoever initiate this post must indeed be well-informed given the increasing chaos and mounting satisfaction, rising to a crescendo among members.
I recalled the Cy and myself were asked to justify why we were not there as mods even though we were not obliged to need anybody's approval or not for our abscence.
This, therefore, was a good example of how even a member dared to criticize us when we had to deal with our private life first.
Then Bren who was watching in the sideline was compelled to step in to exercise discipline, much to the displeasure of several members.
We as mods don't have the power anymore to arbitirate disputes nor deal with determined puppy sockets, ever since the general meltdown!
We could only stand by helplessly and try to calm matters and by sending a stream of PMs to Admin who didn't even bother to respond at all. He must have known the end is in sight too!
As the complains mounted...we know the end was near.
The rest is now history, friends.
GW
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 12, 2012 9:35:45 GMT -7
In the closing days of OMF, there was a thread which emblazoned with the glaring title: Is OMF dead? Whoever initiate this post must indeed be well-informed given the increasing chaos and mounting satisfaction, rising to a crescendo among members. I recalled the Cy and myself were asked to justify why we were not there as mods even though we were not obliged to need anybody's approval or not for our abscence. This, therefore, was a good example of how even a member dared to criticize us when we had to deal with our private life first. Then Bren who was watching in the sideline was compelled to step in to exercise discipline, much to the displeasure of several members. We as mods don't have the power anymore to arbitirate disputes nor deal with determined puppy sockets, ever since the general meltdown! We could only stand by helplessly and try to calm matters and by sending a stream of PMs to Admin who didn't even bother to respond at all. He must have known the end is in sight too! As the complains mounted...we know the end was near. The rest is now history, friends. GW Yes this is accurate. I think however that the membership had to fully experience their own mistakes in a deeply influential way in order to learn the things that had been remarked in passing many times over the last four years and possibly longer. If all this can be learned from then OMF will eventually become not only reborn but a force greater than it ever was. It takes frequent practice to temper one's voice and approach to life. Without the mistakes and the consequences then improvement is limited and stagnant. This is why the Ancients taught it is important to respect inequity anywhere we encounter it. Cyrellys |
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Post by Greatwaller on Jan 12, 2012 9:42:58 GMT -7
In the closing days of OMF, there was a thread which emblazoned with the glaring title: Is OMF dead? Whoever initiate this post must indeed be well-informed given the increasing chaos and mounting satisfaction, rising to a crescendo among members. I recalled the Cy and myself were asked to justify why we were not there as mods even though we were not obliged to need anybody's approval or not for our abscence. This, therefore, was a good example of how even a member dared to criticize us when we had to deal with our private life first. Then Bren who was watching in the sideline was compelled to step in to exercise discipline, much to the displeasure of several members. We as mods don't have the power anymore to arbitirate disputes nor deal with determined puppy sockets, ever since the general meltdown! We could only stand by helplessly and try to calm matters and by sending a stream of PMs to Admin who didn't even bother to respond at all. He must have known the end is in sight too! As the complains mounted...we know the end was near. The rest is now history, friends. GW Dear folks; If what I heard was accurate that Bren was really back in business, I hope he would have borne this little advice in mind: a. that an administrator must show by example and leadership his capabilites and able to project an aural of both soft power and strong power. b. don't use the big stick and if it is require to discipline than do it with restrain and mercy and look upon the one being disciplined. c. don't for Pete's sake live on the ivory power and able to trust and delegate the work to mods which the admin has entrusted. d. give ample power to the mods, those working horses, so that they would not have to run back and forth to seek more advice to deal with any given situation. e. if matter go wrong, which would surely happen, when membership swells, don't sweep things under the rug and close an eye...what has to be dealt with has to be dealt with decisively. f. frequent board meetings, if possible, to get the views coming from mods. g. don't trust any Tom, Dick or Harry, unless he or she is truly trustworthy to carrry the objectives of the forum in question. h. be humble and be able to descend to the same level as members when complains have to be rectified. i. able to take criticisms and able to listen to suggestions even though sometimes they may appear offending...be slow to offend and quick to reward...! These would go a long way to run and operate and effective forum. My two-cent worth of contribution. GW ;D |
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Post by toon on Jan 12, 2012 9:47:46 GMT -7
If you're referring to Amkon, I'm unaware of any attack on OMF by socks originating there. Of course I rarely read at OMF because I was banned in 2007. It was at Amkon that I learned these things not OMF. Cy That's a big charge that requires some big substantiation. Got evidence? Or just a 'round up the usual suspects' state of mind? |
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 12, 2012 9:59:46 GMT -7
It was at Amkon that I learned these things not OMF. Cy That's a big charge that requires some big substantiation. Got evidence? Or just a 'round up the usual suspects' state of mind? It's not a charge Toon, it was an observation...I didn't have an impression that the forum itself was responsible...it seemed to be certain members having a good time at the expense of the OMF staff. There are members there that made absolutely no mistake about their clearly hoping for the OMF eventual crash and burn because they were dissatisfied with OMFs approach to information handling and what they felt was disinformation or information of zero value...some felt that such information was hurting the credibility of the UFO/Exopolitics Community at large rather than seeing it as communication...you might start there and make some inquirys. Your forum serves a purpose and it would be wrong of me to engage in conflict with it. I am only suggesting that I had observed some things that it seems you are unaware of and that if you speak first with those who seem to have a stake in OMFs survival then you may discover what you seek of your own accord. Beyond that suggestion I have not the time to be of more help. I am already taking an immense amount of time to work on this revitalization here, away from other duties. Cy |
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Post by toon on Jan 12, 2012 10:09:48 GMT -7
And you don't think that your Serpo, Sauce A and Foreskin dramas detract from serious consideration of UFOlogy? Foreskin's Princess Evil in league with picklemen, condiments and evil Hortas are not exactly the sorts of disclosure that lend credibility to the study, are they? An open mind devoid of a modicum of rational skepticism results in credulity- and worse. Do you have a difficult time understanding that?
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Post by mur on Jan 12, 2012 10:12:22 GMT -7
Beautiful lie vs ugly truth ---- I can handle both. I just had a hard time stomaching the methods you employed. What methods? Fact checking? Ever pause to consider this is why ufology is loaded with hoaxers? Ufology likes being lie to. |
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