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Post by Jake Reason on Mar 26, 2012 23:31:37 GMT -7
PUBLIC NOTICEserpo.org/contact.phpQUOTE:- Contact In April 2007 Bill Ryan transferred ownership of this web site to the administrators of The OutPost Forum We maintain good working relationships with both Bill Ryan and Victor Martinez and will continue to update the site as necessary. Readers who have questions or would like further information will find a wealth of discussion threads, research and debate at the forum's dedicated Project Serpo board. We invite you to join the debate! Register here. The OutPost Forum Team. Email: contact at serpo.org --------------------------------------- The above notice recently posted at Serpo.org contains false and misrepresentational information. The OutPostForum did not exist until fall of 2011. Contrary to the recently published false statement at Serpo.org; Bill Ryan transferred ownership and maintenance of Serpo.org to the then current administrator/owners of "OpenMindsForum". The published web programmer of Serpo.org who is on-line represented as Manual Lamiroy @; www.lamiroy.com/en/index.phphas knowingly misrepresented the history and ownership of Serpo.org. Sincerely, R.W.Davis co-owner Serpo.org Since I stepped down as an active Admin at OMF, I have made repeated attempts to discuss with the remaining management my part ownership of Serpo.org of which I have a contractually invested interest in. Every time I contacted them on this issue, it was responded to as something they would take up with me when they get around to it- later. After repeated requests on my part, always entirely initiated by me, there has never been any response on their part to attempt to address this issue toward mutual resolve. Nor have anyone of them extended to me any comment or information as to why they have not, nor continue to disregard resolving these issues in any form. Sincerely, R.W.Davis co-owner of OpenMindsForum, and Serpo.org |
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Post by brenatom on Mar 27, 2012 7:39:23 GMT -7
It is beyond me, JR. And it probably should be for anyone else in their right mind, but now i have neither time, need or want to understand. I cannot account for the unnaccountable, nor speak for the unspeakable. What hope there is that they should honour such responsibility for themselves, for me, doesn't matter; i no longer care. I care for what should always be common-knowledge, truth, disclosure, open-ness and transparency. I don't care about 'need to know' when it is in the public interest it is a 'right to know'. Everything; every last detail of OMF's history is a matter of record. If there has been any misunderstanding regarding the closure of OMF, there will soon be every opportunity to be fully and completely informed without any interpretation, opinion, commentary or disruption. Kim's amKon Klansmen can report and snitch until they are brown in the pants. Whether they can handle it or not doesn't matter. It was never their business to deny it from others. It will now not be possible for them to do so. Know the truth. It will most definately prevail. For now, here's an example of what is not libel. The domain history of original registration and ownership of OMF. To claim the record is false, to incite a third party to act and close down a forum on such false claim is more than stupid and more than wrong. It is probably more than libel too. But hey, i'm no lawyer.  |
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Post by brenatom on Mar 27, 2012 12:57:42 GMT -7
I found out today that ......... [edited by Dan Smith, at the request of a third party.] Or this: We were 12th out of the entire proboards directory of forums.  Cool, eh? (Shame though too, and i realise the irony will be lost, again, on the Andy & Kim amKon Klan - as it's probably cool for them too.) |
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Post by brenatom on Mar 28, 2012 1:05:09 GMT -7
Oh, dear. I had not been aware that 'Fore' had been posting malicious falsehoods and presenting selective and partial information here. That'll teach me for paying attention. If those quotes allegedly from Doc actually exist - i will check first - then I have no choice but to provide the full record of emails and correspondence which accounts for the complete contextual and circumstantial information that is missing from what Fore has posted here. It is my hope that he has not done the same thing elsewhere, and i will have to now check that too, because what is referred to as "part of" is information that, in 'full', is exactly what should be disclosed. Putting out partial information is misleading. It is dis informing and it is entirely dishonest. So i hope Fore has not been stupid. It's not a problem for me to have transparency and open books on everything and anything, it's what i have always wanted. It's not what everyone wants though, not in the staff / admin team - and it has been met with some extreme resistance. Which for a 'disclosure' forum, i found to be very strange. I found there was more going on behind my back than i was being told. And any doubts have since been confirmed. It is all a matter of record. Ironically, the "full" story will disclose more than 'Fore' thought or knew. I don't know if he has considered the possibility that he has been someone elses 'useful idiot', i don't know and now i don't care. But if nothing else - he's certainly an idiot. I will let some time draw some focus upon what i have just found below - and then i will address everything therein. Completely. For the record for accountability and honour. Mdonall wrote: If you want to know why the Admins keep silent over what transpired it is probably because they are (imo) protecting what remains of Brens integrity and pride and want to leave things be as they are. They know what happened, and it really is kinda embarrasing. (There are far more legitimate reasons, but too sensitive or private to talk about it...so I am not going there.) There is a back story, and a REASON for everything that happened, but most everyone including me (largely, but not completely) has agreed not to tell the story of what happened. Here is part of the story: Doc wrote: Doc wrote: Why did they worry about finding themselves locked out? Because of these sorts of events were the issues I asked them to tackle:  i39.tinypic.com/jhrcic.jpg i44.tinypic.com/168vsx3.jpg i42.tinypic.com/4ktxl.jpgAll of these posts were quickly deleted or properly moderated by the other Admins when I brought it to their attention. At one point Admin (Bren) defiantly reposted them even though they were against the rules and everyone on the staff knew it was. He (IMO) thumbed his nose at the others defiantly "as if" he were "a king" above the rules. You cannot moderate a person whom refuses to be moderated (as far as I know). The system somewhat broke apart. "Trust" broke. And ironically, one mans freedom overulled all reason. It was his way or the highway. Most everyone chose the highway. (Note I am cutting out huge portions behind this and many other motives that exists other than what I have presented. I do not know the full story, so there are many angles to this that will probably never be heard of.) Ultimately the one whom drove away the staff was none other than Admin himself through his behavior. You can share that with A99 and Cy if you aren't going to already. I am sure they will want to know all about it.... No doubt Bren will probably bamboozle them and the others into believing he is of a pure heart....:rolls eyes: |
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Post by brenatom on Mar 28, 2012 2:07:56 GMT -7
... and i repeat, for Christ's sake, if not your own, join the human race. (... that, and stop trying to have the request deleted, those who request it banned, or websites where the request is not a requirement needed to be asked of 99% of everyone else, closed down. )
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Post by pman35 on Mar 30, 2012 16:37:36 GMT -7
Hey guys guess I missed the party lol , sorry I haven't been around very busy
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Post by dan on Mar 31, 2012 10:35:50 GMT -7
Cy,
I have received no direct communications from ML/Garuda(?)...... only those that you have forwarded to me.
I am concerned that these continuing recriminations will result in the shutting down of yet another forum in which I have attempted to maintain a public presence.
I owe a great deal to the ufological community. It would be very painful for me to have to sever that online connection.
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Post by brenatom on Mar 31, 2012 14:24:25 GMT -7
Dan, what did you do to prevent it last time? What response did you get when you voiced your protestation with Proboards. Maybe there is something to be learned from that history, to ensure that it does not repeat itself.
BTW it would a priority to explain why you removed my post, and who the third party is that incited you to act. It's important, indeed a priority - that is how rumours start, before you know it someone will say it was me posting libel. I'm serious. You know that. I will provide the screen shot, but you'll have archived it anyway. But it's important to act Dan. Money never bought Christ a blog. He saved, but not to buy a good spot on mount. Right? Action speak louder than.... ah, what's the point.
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Post by mdonnall2002 on Mar 31, 2012 15:11:55 GMT -7
BREN..
You must have overlooked the pm I sent in regards to the (removed material)......
If you could take a min or two please?
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Post by dan on Mar 31, 2012 15:24:47 GMT -7
Bren,
I never had any communication with anyone at ProBoards.
The only content that I deleted was clearly spurious and libelous.
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Post by Cyrellys on Mar 31, 2012 17:50:44 GMT -7
Cy, I have received no direct communications from ML/Garuda(?)...... only those that you have forwarded to me. I am concerned that these continuing recriminations will result in the shutting down of yet another forum in which I have attempted to maintain a public presence. I owe a great deal to the ufological community. It would be very painful for me to have to sever that online connection. Dan, according to the email I recieved from Manuel, you acted prior to his notifying me he had a problem with a post and his beef was with a different post than the one you edited. I came to CM to investigate what this was all about and found you had apparently recieved some sort of notice prior to me from I don't know who. I have not heard from Proboards nor is there any notice from them....so I'm curious, how is it on posts that have been there for several days both YOU and MANUEL LAMIROY AKA GARUDA OF T.O.P. both have acted within, what, 24 hours of each other, days after it was originally posted? Odd....to say the least. Here is your PM to me on the matter: **** and here is the email from Lamiroy:you said: No direct communications from Manuel? You're pm show above says differently. Would you please explain? Where is the copy of the original prior to edit which you are required as a CM Moderator to secure for the record in such disputes? Did you keep the required copy or did you just edit without regard to the chaos of he said/she said accusations? I don't mean to be a pain about this Dan but there is some explaining here to do and there's a reason why there are basic proceedures for moderators here. This is a prime example of why. Cy |
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Post by Cyrellys on Mar 31, 2012 18:40:31 GMT -7
One of the things that Compass Morainn is designed to do is facilitate communication. Real communication between parties is not always pretty....yes, sometimes it might be construed as spurious or libelous...that's tough turkey....when it comes to people interacting or relating or associating etc, with each other it can be a really messy business. What one person calls cause or reason another calls making accusations or libel or abuse and vice versa. The general principle here is that dialog remains reasonably civil. The subject of extraterrestrial contact, the tyranny that has been done to keep the secret of it, and the interpersonal abuses shot back and forth by well meaning, high powered activists who are so wrapped up in the paradigm that they often forget they are not the only ones and thus attack their peers like police officers who have been in criminal investigation, and prevention careers too long and begin to suspect and treat ALL people as like convicted criminals...well, so it goes. CM members hold a higher tolerance to potential or perceived inequity in any communication. The whole paradigm thanks to the years of secrecy policy is now rife with animosity and conflict. We do not serve resolving the various animosities when we censor or edit for face or opinion.
Bren & Jake represent one side of a conflict and Manuel represents another....if Manuel declines to participate here in information supported rebuttal then he has no standing to make off forum claims either to members or to Proboards or to take destructive actions toward Compass Morainn which serves in one part as a platform for open dialog regardless of how heated the discussions get. If Manuel/Garuda chooses to not participate as a member in good standing in discussion on these matters then he has no room to gritch about what is said. In other words stand and fight for what you believe is true here in the forum in a fair and moderated/mediated discussion or get the *bleep* out of the kitchen.
To be FAIR here is another thought...we KNOW that elements of the Intelligence Community was involved in the demise of OMF at the original lucianarchy address. What is there to say that Manuel's email address has not been duplicated or hijacked by some same or similar element and is being used to create mayhem here? We have not heard from Manuel directly other than the email I recieved and it could be suspect...I haven't entirely ruled it out that the man could be innocent of being responsible for this little incident....I think Dan could clear this up one way or another or even illustrate another facet of what is happening here by providing a copy not a fascimilie of who contacted him about Bren's post.
Cy
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Post by Jake Reason on Mar 31, 2012 19:01:06 GMT -7
and here is the email from Lamiroy: Hmmm, my post can not be libelous. I was simply stating historical fact that is public knowledge and readily available on the net. I posted the reminder to provide the net another searchable statement of truth. And for everyones information.... it was I who originally informed the 'net' of the change of administration from Bill Ryan to the Admins of OpenMindsForum (OMF) quote; "Yes, this is an official announcement - The OM Team are now the administrators of Serpo.org"I posted that announcement on the "Main Serpo Discussion" thread, of OMF, on page 280, post #4188, on April 27, 2007 @ 1:58 PM EST AND get this..... Manuel (Garuda) was the second person to post a comment after my announcement in April 2007 - (page 280, post #4190, @ 5:39 PM EST) - quote: " Goodie!
It is, IMO, the best choice!" [btw, these posts are available on the net for public viewing and confirmation]At that time five years ago in April 2007, I was a co-owner Admin of OMF and Serpo.org (still am). Whereas Manuel was not. Manuel is therefore in no rightful position to write Cyrellys and claim that I have been " making libelous statements". He knows this is incorrect. |
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Post by Jake Reason on Mar 31, 2012 21:30:25 GMT -7
Manuel wrote via email to Cyrellys: For the record, Manuel did not copy this email to me. Nor has he, nor any of the Outpost Forum Admins contacted me about this issue.  Several months ago, I again messaged Chris & Frank/Doc concerning the ownership issue, merely to discuss it and resolve it, so that I can go on with my life. And again I was ignored. I truly have no understanding as to why they are not responding. I am still contractually a co-owner of Serpo.org. If they and the other admins of "The Outpost Forum" continue to claim 'it' solely as their own, then they are not only breaching contract law in all countries involved, but more importantly to me at least, insulting my long term commitment, investment and respectful obligation to the partnership. Considering my above statement, it should be no surprise to any reader that I do not wish to remain obligated to a group that refuses to even contact me, while continuing to represent themselves as the sole owners and administrators. Which they are NOT. I'm not even interested in holding continued obligatory ownership. I have considerably greater responsibilities. This issue is a childish thing to me. That "they" (Outpost Forum admin/owners) think they can simply take/rob, when I have always been wanting to relinquish it in exchange for nothing more than the notary acknowledgment of my contribution and the public history of events. That's all. This has always been my intent, during my several year attempt to discuss my contracted ownership, obligations and interest. Yet they continually refuse to discuss it. And they continue to dismiss my ownership, obligation, and interest..... as IF, it doesn't even exist. |
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Post by Cyrellys on Mar 31, 2012 23:06:12 GMT -7
and here is the email from Lamiroy: Hmmm, my post can not be libelous. I was simply stating historical fact that is public knowledge and readily available on the net. I posted the reminder to provide the net another searchable statement of truth. And for everyones information.... it was I who originally informed the 'net' of the change of administration from Bill Ryan to the Admins of OpenMindsForum (OMF) quote; "Yes, this is an official announcement - The OM Team are now the administrators of Serpo.org"I posted that announcement on the "Main Serpo Discussion" thread, of OMF, on page 280, post #4188, on April 27, 2007 @ 1:58 PM EST AND get this..... Manuel (Garuda) was the second person to post a comment after my announcement in April 2007 - (page 280, post #4190, @ 5:39 PM EST) - quote: " Goodie!
It is, IMO, the best choice!" [btw, these posts are available on the net for public viewing and confirmation]At that time five years ago in April 2007, I was a co-owner Admin of OMF and Serpo.org (still am). Whereas Manuel was not. Manuel is therefore in no rightful position to write Cyrellys and claim that I have been " making libelous statements". He knows this is incorrect. Thank you for the explanation Jake. Now if Manuel still feels he disagrees with this he is certainly welcome to post on Compass Morainn, his references showing differently. Anyway it seems we have two separate incidents going on here. I just received an email from Andrew Murray stating that he was the one who contacted Dan Smith about one of Brens posts and Murray said that he did not tell Dan to edit it, but rather that Dan did it of his own accord out of "common decency"...paraphrasing here. Anyway, Andrew Murray did make a report about the post in question to Proboards rather than come to me with his problem. He has been instructed that the proceedure he used was patently wrong and that he should have come to me with his complaint. He has been duly informed that where it comes to verifiably legitimate complaints I am not an unfair person even with persons like Mur. But skirting around me by going to Dan and to Proboards first rather than through me is actions more akin to someone with only mischief and mayhem in mind rather than a real complaint. I also reiterated my opinion that using Proboards in proxy-attacks as being an act of WAR and asked him if he wishes to proceed down that road? |
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