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Post by mdonnall2002 on Jan 10, 2012 15:30:57 GMT -7
Suggestion:
Perhaps we should create a separate thread for any possible continued dialog with, Archistrategos where his message is not mixed in with the emotions of mediation?
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 10, 2012 15:49:52 GMT -7
Mur is highly focused on proof of paradigm...this seems to me to be his THEME of focus. I don't so much disagree myself with such a theme as I believe it has it's time and place. And sometimes it is applied entirely too early or in the wrong context.
I think what helps in this respect is something which I've written about here at CM...and something that Noot continually refers to as "Bren's Circus" is the difference between
Communication and Disclosure
Who here would like to take a shot at how I've defined in my writings the difference?
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 10, 2012 15:54:48 GMT -7
Suggestion: Perhaps we should create a separate thread for any possible continued dialog with, Archistrategos where his message is not mixed in with the emotions of mediation? If this is what he would like to do, he is welcome to create a thread on the OMF Members Guest Board here. But his concerns seemed much about these matters and I think he'd get more mileage if he placed them here...his choice. |
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Post by fore on Jan 10, 2012 15:56:01 GMT -7
Cy stock that is 
You're welcome.
One of the issues I'd like you to share with us Mur is what I observed.
My observation:
prior to the break up of the Admins/mods,
Bren had as I understand it a "death in the family" [True] that atop health issues I'm thinking...[Very True]he did indeed seem to be absent for a protracted length of time and the other Admins & mods filled the void. [Somewhat True] I don't believe he informed anyone clearly what was happening in his personal life.[Somewhat True] Priorities have a funny way of doing that to a person's time and applied energy.
IN his absence:
the relentless sock attacks/fun and games drove the residing Admins & mods to take unusual measures, including under the table situational exploration (Dood).[Unknown to me but sounds way out there] This combined to cause chaos among a confused membership. [Not really IMO]Escalation in measures, reactions, and confusion and an inability to understand Brens absence initiated the events leading up to the break. [False] Repeated requests for Bren went unanswered....[False]
Bren being overwhelmed (guessing here) by a flood of emails, pms you name it[Unknown] came back in the midst of his personal problems to utter chaos.[Probably True or Likely to be Tue]
He made an emergency decision to shut everyone off/out till he had time, energy, and desire to sort out what had happened and what the problem actually was....hense Admins & mods with no powers.[Very False]
This compounded the problem.[Depends on Context of statement]
Now the above could be debated about whether that decision was made by Bren or by his representative, because at this point I strongly suspect that somewhere in this mix maybe Bren had a proxy step in to his uniform to assist and maybe even take the reins while he may have returned to his personal problems.[Unknown to me but sounds way out there] I strongly suspect, a proxy was involved here who spoke as Bren and may have acted in his stead as a helper at the very least and that was NOT Greatwaller nor I or any of the post-break mods/admins.[Sounds like Rabid Speculation and Extremely likely to be False] This would explain the lack of communication in many respects. And a few other things like our friend Archistratego. I'm not saying this is a fact...only that I suspect this may be a piece of the story.[Re-alignment of the narrative is very necessary.]
my point here is that if the broader community is to heal and recover from this calamity, then the issue of sock-puppeting attacks for fun or otherwise, and the allowing of factionalized IC to instigate fun and games should be part of what is addressed here. [Sounds like Fantasy]
In any mediation, the mediator suggests or guides at times but it is the members who essentially resolve their own issues by having a reaonable environment and encouragement to speak their peace even when it is disagreeable to others...I realize this is a hot topic with alot of history but if ANY community in the net world is going to survive what the federal umbrella culture is setting up to do, then everyone needs to pull together and learn the hot buttons that set this off and how to transcend that which causes WE THE PEOPLE to fight and engage in offense & conflict with each other...[Sounds like good advice]
There are many enemys one might have in the world and the universe but never should they be one's own family.[True]
This is not the only matter I think the omf members should include in the discussion...but it is one that can be shared on now as part of reconvening as a community.[True]
If one can see the problem, discuss the problem then one can explore how it might be handled differently...[True]obviously Mur would like to continue as part of the community...so how might this issue be achieved?
Mur? what are your thoughts toward improvment here?
I say this because requests for help and attention to problems just prior to the flood of proboards reporting went unanswered. And more was happening it seemed behind the scene than proboards voiding a few annoying posts.[That has more to do with firing everyone and then having no one to address the matters that cropped up.] All of my words on this narrative are found in brackets [ .. ] |
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Post by a99 on Jan 10, 2012 15:58:39 GMT -7
Mur, you may have allergies you are not even aware of. Allergic reactions to dust mites causes sinus problems and this is the season for it. Ask your doctor for a Cetirizine HCL prescription because one tab. a day will clear up your problems pronto... especially if you are sneezing too but do not have any chest congestion or coughing or high temp. symptoms which instead would indicate a cold only.
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Post by Mur on Jan 10, 2012 16:01:20 GMT -7
I don't believe assigning blame is required....many had a hand in the failure. There are many issues that contributed to the demise. The question going forward is what kind of community do you want? How much moderation? My opinion is as little as possible.Clearly we won't all agree on every opinion, but we don't need to be treated as school children either. Thanks for letting me post.....your stock went up a little bit in my eyes Welcome home, Mur.... What would constitute a breach of your 'Little as possible' approach? Can you give some examples where you would draw the lines for the sake of 'proper' discourse? Clearly, total freedom leads to Anarchy and total control leads to suppression. Perhaps you could lay out some examples of what would be a breechable offense? How about no porn? As little moderation as possible. Difficult but not impossible Either we are adults or we aren't. But ufology is about opinions and research. We aren't going to agree most of the time. |
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Post by mdonnall2002 on Jan 10, 2012 16:30:24 GMT -7
How about no porn? As little moderation as possible. Clearly, one suggested rule is no where in the middle, Mur.. That image looks like a UFC brawl not an example of civil discourse, respectfully mind you. |
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Post by dan on Jan 10, 2012 16:52:10 GMT -7
Is there going to be a blog space here?
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 10, 2012 16:58:30 GMT -7
Is there going to be a blog space here? Welcome to Compass Morainn, Dan. Is there going to be a blog space here?There can be, if you want one. Specify your needs...a subboard like what you had at OMF. And one other thing to take into consideration...this community may revert back to OMF in Renewal depending on if everyone can work this out. And so far it's looking good. You might instead consider a temporary thread which can be easily moved to the more permanent location when/where that is determined. Until then you are welcome to whatever you need. Cy |
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 10, 2012 17:09:28 GMT -7
Go ahead and create a blog thread for yourself in the OMF Board here, and let me know if you have any difficulty doing so...I think I have that ability enabled for the members.
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 10, 2012 17:10:27 GMT -7
No problem A99, thanks for helping (waves).
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Post by a99 on Jan 10, 2012 17:21:34 GMT -7
Dan, Cy is setting up your own sub-forum here. She's doing that now.
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Post by dan on Jan 10, 2012 17:39:16 GMT -7
99,
Ok, please send me a link. I'll be out for awhile......
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Post by a99 on Jan 10, 2012 17:42:42 GMT -7
Cy, here's Dan's pic at 100x100 avatar size. Attachments:
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Post by Mur on Jan 10, 2012 18:03:06 GMT -7
Mur is highly focused on proof of paradigm...this seems to me to be his THEME of focus. That's not exactly true...I don't require any proof of anything, but when things or stories don't add up.....fact checking is in order. It was impossible to fact check the source A story...because there were none....other than the bogus SOM. But the luncheon presented a an opportunity. Cy and I disagree.....she has stated the truth doesn't matter.,,,regarding sources and info. I think it does |
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