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Post by a99 on Jan 10, 2012 18:05:57 GMT -7
Dan, Cy set up your sub-forum here! Check it out! It's in the "Guest Board - Lucianarchy's OMF Members" forum here. You have been made a mod. here (mod. for your forum) . She's set up everything like it was at OMF. If you click on this link, you will see your sub-forum: compassmorainn.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=omftalk |
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Post by Mur on Jan 10, 2012 18:07:43 GMT -7
Mur, you may have allergies you are not even aware of. Allergic reactions to dust mites causes sinus problems and this is the season for it. Ask your doctor for a Cetirizine HCL prescription because one tab. a day will clear up your problems pronto... especially if you are sneezing too but do not have any chest congestion or coughing or high temp. symptoms which instead would indicate a cold only. Allergy shots for ten years...I'm allergic to nothing. No sneezing....but shot is pouring out of me and down my throat No chest issues, no temp...minor scratchy throat...probably from snot Trying Mucinex for now Thanks for being nice |
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Post by a99 on Jan 10, 2012 18:10:54 GMT -7
You're welcome Mur! Hope that stuff works for you!
It sounds like a bad cold... lol, that season is here now too.
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Post by Mur on Jan 10, 2012 18:16:16 GMT -7
Clearly, one suggested rule is no where in the middle, Mur.. That image looks like a UFC brawl not an example of civil discourse, respectfully mind you. Over moderation ruined omf. People are sad about omf...but no one is outraged or surprised. Moderation should be a last resort. |
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 10, 2012 18:42:29 GMT -7
Mur is highly focused on proof of paradigm...this seems to me to be his THEME of focus. That's not exactly true...I don't require any proof of anything, but when things or stories don't add up.....fact checking is in order. It was impossible to fact check the source A story...because there were none....other than the bogus SOM. But the luncheon presented a an opportunity. Cy and I disagree.....she has stated the truth doesn't matter.,,,regarding sources and info. I think it does It is true you and I disagree but not on the matter of truth...we disagree in our definition of what situations constitute Communication And which constitute an attempt at: Disclosure Communication is only that...it does NOT come with proof. And there are specified boundaries or conditions under which it is held, applicated, participated in. Those boundaries are by principle non-negotiable...we don't make 'exceptions' to principles even if the outcome is not what we hope for, want or expect. Disclosure....has some sort of PROOF or FACT CHECKING involved in it. It is EXPECTED. There are still principles involved but the subject and the individuals are more open within reason. I would refer you to the following for reference on similar professional standards: Confidentiality Policy compassmorainn.webs.com/confidentialitypolicy.htmPractitioner Guide compassmorainn.webs.com/practitionerguide.htmThe problem that has been occuring across the board in ufology & exopolitics is there is a great deal of free-for-all-ism going on...and no application of respect or principle This has resulted in a range of external groups referring to the ufology/exopolitics community as: Too Toxic Some even go as far as commenting that there is a quarantine in place because "look at what that community does! They eat their own!" I do believe one of the moderators over at TOP recently pointed out that OMF in the past had lost out on a number of guests because of this cavalier practice or culture with regards to guests or communicators. The overall situation is such that this practice or culture being in place with the public is what is preventing Disclosure...remember Disclosure comes with proof. Knowledgeable parties on the issue of contact seem to have their own issues of internal conflicts so this community really isn't alone in the bad behavior department...but two wrongs don't make a right either. When people get tired of the lies they'll clean up their behavior. I have only been able to assume that everyone likes it this way. Now the broader community has a first rate example of what this type of culture results in....the suspension and near destruction of an entire major forum. Perhaps now everyone will reconsider the approach...but trust if it ever seriously was contemplated by some groups must now be rebuilt...and that's a hard road to dig. Cultures are traditions and customs, transmitted through learning, that govern the beliefs and behavior of the people exposed to them. We learn such a tradition by growing up in a particular society, through a process of enculturation. Cultural traditions include customs and opinions, developed over generations, about proper and improper behavior. These traditions answer such questions as: How should we do things? How do we make sense of the world? How do we tell right from wrong? What IS right and what IS wrong? A culture produces a degree of consistency in behavior and thought among the people who live in a particular society. ~ Anthropology, 10th edition by Conrad Phillip KottakIn other words People create it....see my post once again on Claimh Solais. By my observation much of the offense and offensive behavior can be regulated by adhering to a set of principles on practice and confidentiality and within a context of understanding when we are participating in Communication effort as opposed to a Disclosure effort. It also can assist members of the different communities interact without it turning into chaos and devolving into misunderstanding, and more hurtful actions against each other. Social interaction is always a minefield; it can easily become manipulative and self-serving rather than transformative; serving the needs of the moment rather than the needs of a lifetime, or of an individual rather than a community....where killing your neighbor because you want tomatoes from her garden is as valid a method of obtaining your dinner as trading form them. When there is no agreed upon ethics, there are no generally accepted rules of conduct...without stated guidelines objections become irrelevant and irreverant and the cause of the objection is often lost in the ensuing muck-throwing contest...where there is no standards of behavior, it is difficult for community and trust to develop or be successful in all that it does. What happened with OMF is a prime example...and it was long brewing...by years. Culture is an expression of the cumulation of a people's learning and understanding....it's fluid and evolves...therefore it can be altered to become more congruent with the needs of the people and their experience. Cyrellys |
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Post by Mur on Jan 10, 2012 18:43:48 GMT -7
Ron Paul....strong showing in NH!.
I bet Cy and I might actually agree concerning Dr Paul
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Post by nibs on Jan 10, 2012 18:48:11 GMT -7
Allergy shots for ten years...I'm allergic to nothing. No sneezing....but shot is pouring out of me and down my throat No chest issues, no temp...minor scratchy throat...probably from snot Trying Mucinex for now Thanks for being nice Not to worry Mur, the entire east coast is gradually getting this extremely disgusting nasty head cold that nothing but time works on. Count on at least two weeks of feeling like crap! Being tired , especially after eating and coughing your arse off! Whew- I'm finally through it! NASTY!!!!!!!!!!!! SNOT! EWWWWWWWWWW.. lol Hope no one is eating dinner and getting caught up over here.. ;D |
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Post by Free 120 Forum on Jan 10, 2012 18:49:16 GMT -7
Hi guys; I just got here by following the direction of an email sent to me by Cys some days ago! Well...Cys, Agent 99 and myself had tried to save OMF from demise, even though we thought would come about sooner or later....at the deplorable state of affairs...members become disorderly...and sometimes openly accuse one another...! But this "nightmare" at OMF is now over...thank God! I have now established my own forum which is known as free120forum.proboards.comIf any of our friends decided to visit with me at this forum, you are always welcome and equally welcome would be write a post or two to grace my "infantile" forum...! Any enterprise begins with just one small step....and this is what I am doing or already accomplished. I am tired of being bossed around and I decided to strike out on my own now as the administrator of this forum. Finally, I end here by saying that I joined the now defunct OMF as a member on February of 2005 after being inspired by SERPO Chronicle which I heard one night by the famous Art Bell.... I could never dream that someday in future...I wish I could have the crystal ball...that OMF...like any public organization would come to such a sad end through incompetence and factional bouts and perhaps by sheer neglect. I have learned a lesson as I am trying out on my own to establish my own forum and will try to be a good, understanding and fair admin. I hope you guys which we have been together at OMF would guide and help me in anyway possible with this forum of mine. One small step which I attempted to take....and another one. See you all there, friends. Take care and all the very best in this world of uncertainty...! Greatwaller ;D Well...ex OMF folks...since I posted the above message, several former members have had visited my forum. I thank you all very much in response to my cordial invitation. I hope more former members will find time to visit my forum and leave a message for me to either read or follow up. Please regard my forum as the beginning where OMF has left off... I make no apologies, nor am I ungrateful, but if OMF no longer exists now...let those "ronnins" have a multiple and free choice to visit any forum which has a link to the past... And my forum: http://free 120forum.proboards.com would in time be able to operate as good as our once OMF...with your support, fellow ex-OMF members. Cheers; Greatwaller ;D |
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Post by Greatwaller on Jan 10, 2012 18:52:25 GMT -7
Hi guys; I just got here by following the direction of an email sent to me by Cys some days ago! Well...Cys, Agent 99 and myself had tried to save OMF from demise, even though we thought would come about sooner or later....at the deplorable state of affairs...members become disorderly...and sometimes openly accuse one another...! But this "nightmare" at OMF is now over...thank God! I have now established my own forum which is known as free120forum.proboards.comIf any of our friends decided to visit with me at this forum, you are always welcome and equally welcome would be write a post or two to grace my "infantile" forum...! Any enterprise begins with just one small step....and this is what I am doing or already accomplished. I am tired of being bossed around and I decided to strike out on my own now as the administrator of this forum. Finally, I end here by saying that I joined the now defunct OMF as a member on February of 2005 after being inspired by SERPO Chronicle which I heard one night by the famous Art Bell.... I could never dream that someday in future...I wish I could have the crystal ball...that OMF...like any public organization would come to such a sad end through incompetence and factional bouts and perhaps by sheer neglect. I have learned a lesson as I am trying out on my own to establish my own forum and will try to be a good, understanding and fair admin. I hope you guys which we have been together at OMF would guide and help me in anyway possible with this forum of mine. One small step which I attempted to take....and another one. See you all there, friends. Take care and all the very best in this world of uncertainty...! Greatwaller ;D Well...ex OMF folks...since I posted the above message, several former members have had visited my forum. I thank you all very much in response to my cordial invitation. I hope more former members will find time to visit my forum and leave a message for me to either read or follow up. Please regard my forum as the beginning where OMF has left off... I make no apologies, nor am I ungrateful, but if OMF no longer exists now...let those "ronnins" have a multiple and free choice to visit any forum which has a link to the past... And my forum: free120forum.proboards.com would in time be able to operate as good as our once OMF...with your support, fellow ex-OMF members. Cheers; Greatwaller ;D |
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Post by Mur on Jan 10, 2012 18:56:55 GMT -7
That's not exactly true...I don't require any proof of anything, but when things or stories don't add up.....fact checking is in order. It was impossible to fact check the source A story...because there were none....other than the bogus SOM. But the luncheon presented a an opportunity. Cy and I disagree.....she has stated the truth doesn't matter.,,,regarding sources and info. I think it does It is true you and I disagree but not on the matter of truth...we disagree in our definition of what situations constitute Communication And which constitute an attempt at: Disclosure Communication is only that...it does NOT come with proof. And there are specified boundaries or conditions under which it is held, applicated, participated in. Those boundaries are by principle non-negotiable...we don't make 'exceptions' to principles even if the outcome is not what we hope for, want or expect. Disclosure....has some sort of PROOF or FACT CHECKING involved in it. It is EXPECTED. There are still principles involved but the subject and the individuals are more open within reason. I would refer you to the following for reference on similar professional standards: Confidentiality Policy compassmorainn.webs.com/confidentialitypolicy.htmPractitioner Guide compassmorainn.webs.com/practitionerguide.htmThe problem that has been occuring across the board in ufology & exopolitics is there is a great deal of free-for-all-ism going on...and no application of respect or principle This has resulted in a range of external groups referring to the ufology/exopolitics community as: Too Toxic Some even go as far as commenting that there is a quarantine in place because "look at what that community does! They eat their own!" I do believe one of the moderators over at TOP recently pointed out that OMF in the past had lost out on a number of guests because of this cavalier practice or culture with regards to guests or communicators. The overall situation is such that this practice or culture being in place with the public is what is preventing Disclosure...remember Disclosure comes with proof. Knowledgeable parties on the issue of contact seem to have their own issues of internal conflicts so this community really isn't alone in the bad behavior department...but two wrongs don't make a right either. When people get tired of the lies they'll clean up their behavior. I have only been able to assume that everyone likes it this way. Now the broader community has a first rate example of what this type of culture results in....the suspension and near destruction of an entire major forum. Perhaps now everyone will reconsider the approach...but trust if it ever seriously was contemplated by some groups must now be rebuilt...and that's a hard road to dig. Cultures are traditions and customs, transmitted through learning, that govern the beliefs and behavior of the people exposed to them. We learn such a tradition by growing up in a particular society, through a process of enculturation. Cultural traditions include customs and opinions, developed over generations, about proper and improper behavior. These traditions answer such questions as: How should we do things? How do we make sense of the world? How do we tell right from wrong? What IS right and what IS wrong? A culture produces a degree of consistency in behavior and thought among the people who live in a particular society. ~ Anthropology, 10th edition by Conrad Phillip KottakIn other words People create it....see my post once again on Claimh Solais. By my observation much of the offense and offensive behavior can be regulated by adhering to a set of principles on practice and confidentiality and within a context of understanding when we are participating in Communication effort as opposed to a Disclosure effort. It also can assist members of the different communities interact without it turning into chaos and devolving into misunderstanding, and more hurtful actions against each other. Social interaction is always a minefield; it can easily become manipulative and self-serving rather than transformative; serving the needs of the moment rather than the needs of a lifetime, or of an individual rather than a community....where killing your neighbor because you want tomatoes from her garden is as valid a method of obtaining your dinner as trading form them. When there is no agreed upon ethics, there are no generally accepted rules of conduct...without stated guidelines objections become irrelevant and irreverant and the cause of the objection is often lost in the ensuing muck-throwing contest...where there is no standards of behavior, it is difficult for community and trust to develop or be successful in all that it does. What happened with OMF is a prime example...and it was long brewing...by years. Culture is an expression of the cumulation of a people's learning and understanding....it's fluid and evolves...therefore it can be altered to become more congruent with the needs of the people and their experience. Cyrellys Yeah...this is the main point of disagreement. Ufology's secret sources almost always turn out to be hoaxes. I find no value in lies, and actually it hurts ufology to no end. I had no choice but to expose the hoax for what it was. Dishonest communication serves no purpose. You can't build something on a foundation of lies. |
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 10, 2012 18:58:32 GMT -7
Ron Paul....strong showing in NH!. I bet Cy and I might actually agree concerning Dr Paul Lol, I bet we would. We are fortunate I think to live in such a time as a man like that. May his years be many more and fruitful. |
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 10, 2012 19:07:45 GMT -7
I happen to think there is always value in respecting inequity. It is not that we will never encounter lies...it's how we apply ourselves when we do that becomes the deciding factor in the definition of human nature. We always have a choice. And when we make those choices in a way that does not visit destruction on other human beings then in the moments of off chance of our own mistakes we gain the added benefits of saving our own face. To see or experience something we deem is wrong is not and never should be an open invitation or obligation to destroy, maim, or murder. Doing so makes us worse than what we opposed.
Why trade one tyrant for another? You did mention Ron Paul...it is why he won't compromise his principles...because he won't trade one tyrant for another.
Living example.
Cy
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 10, 2012 19:12:50 GMT -7
Welcome to Compass Morainn, Nibs. Cy
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Post by a99 on Jan 10, 2012 19:14:33 GMT -7
Mitt Romney 27,031 37.2%
Ron Paul 17,218 23.7%
Jon Huntsman 12,280 16.9%
Newt Gingrich 7,303 10%
Rick Santorum 7,187 9.9%
Wow! That's great! I would love to see Ron Paul up against Obama! Hope that will happen!
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Post by Jake Reason on Jan 10, 2012 19:16:15 GMT -7
Dove, if you did a little research of your own out on the net, you might see that it's quite possible some here are not talking because it would cause additional embarrassment to Bren. It is possible that "some" are not talking for that, nib. But such a thought would arise within them, based upon an incorrect presumption of the maturity of Bren's personal pride. People with a positive self esteem and self awareness, are not overly concerned with their personal pride. Bren would be in this category. For those who know Bren well enough to know his personal intents and motivations, who would then portend to refrain talking about the situation in order to help save Bren from embarrassment for humanitarian reasons, are deluding themselves and others. Most often in these cases, they project this in order to deflect any embarrassment in themselves. Hopefully this rumor was projected by people who don't really know Bren well enough, and thus err in their assessment. And are simply unaware of, or are lacking understanding of, the complexity of the relationships involved. |
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