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Post by gary on Jan 28, 2012 10:30:20 GMT -7
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Post by sparky on Jan 28, 2012 21:57:58 GMT -7
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about seeking whom he may devour. 1 Peter v. 8
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Post by dan on Jan 29, 2012 7:09:55 GMT -7
Sparky, How did you ever manage to find Compass Morainn? It was supposed to be a secret. Did you have to waterboard someone? Gary, A wonderful excuse for external/divine intervention, don't you think? ------------ 2pm------------- There was an interesting meeting of the SfA. Bill spoke more about the problems and intolerances of Islam. Yes, Muslims do have a real problem, in the shape of the Koran. Their only escape is to embrace Christianity. No. They will migrate to Xianity thru the Sufi tradition. It will be something like the messianic Jews...... embracing without leaving. Then we turned to Eudaimonism. I'm not real sure where Bill latched on to this, but he does refer to Miroslav Volf. Yes, Bill's eudaimonism comes from the fourth chapter of Miroslav's A Public Faith, entitled Human Flourishing, although Miroslav does not use 'eudaimonism'. I'm about to read an essay on Kant's take on eudaimonism..... Hmmm........ Hmmm...... again. The author points out that the identification of happiness with pleasure first occurred with Epicurus, and then, much later, was taken up by the Lumieres of the Enlightenment. And so Happiness wormed it's way into the Constitution.... :-) Oh, dear, will we have to throw the baby out with the bathwater? Ok, this makes a little more sense. It all depends on what 'is' is...... Yes, as in I is that I is.... which is also about the heart of identity.... try monism. There is only one being. All else is an illusion, relatively speaking. No? I'm sure that the Sufis would agree. Wow! If that isn't a leap of faith, I don't know what is. (cont.)
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 29, 2012 15:11:10 GMT -7
"virtue of character (ethikç aretç) and happiness (eudaimonia) is one of the central preoccupations of ancient ethics" (1)virtue of character (ethikç aretç) + happiness (eudaimonia) = The Pursuit of Excellence Another quote from reference above: "Eudaimonia" is a central concept in Aristotelian ethics and political philosophy, along with the terms "aretç", most often translated as "virtue" or "excellence", and "phronesis", often translated as "practical or moral wisdom." trace back Berla Feini: aon = excellent
gus = strength/energy Nicomachean Ethics, (1095a15–22) Aristotle Some of the Fir Bolg spent time in Greece just prior...they brought with them the concept of The Pursuit of Excellence. The Fir Bolg were Danann cousins who remained here rather than fleeing the planet after the war and earth cataclysms that destroyed a global civilization. They were reunited at recolonization when the Danann's returned opting for a post technological agrarian existence. A conflict of control of the land occured resulting in a series of two & three-way battles in the current historys call Moytura. Fomhoire: another group who had remained behind and had lingering genetic damage resulting in physical deformities from the global war. The primary solution beyond the division of lands was intermarriage. This can assist in understanding why many well known characters in history and geneologies have women with multiple husbands, men with multiple wives, and children with confusing family ties due to the additional practice of fostering (comhaltai). This is fyi for info on where the concept comes from and for anyone wishing to follow it once again forward through Aristotle. extra reference: The Atlantean Irish: Ireland's Oriental and Maritime Heritage by Bob Quinn, The Lilliput Press, Paperback , 2004QUOTE: Another Squire quote says: "What is probably the earliest account tells us that they [Tuatha De Danann] came from the sky. Later versions, however, give them a habitation upon Earth - some say in the north, others in the "southern isles of the world". . . . Whether the Tuatha De Danann came from earth or heaven, they landed in a dense cloud upon the coast of Ireland on the mystic first of May [Bealtaine] without having been opposed, or even noticed by . . . the Fir Bolgs." This strain was uttered by the Morrigan and Badb, from the tops of the high mountains of Ireland, after the defeat of the Fomorians in the second battle of Moytura: "Peace Mounts to the Heavens, The Heavens descend to Earth, Earth lies under the heavens, Everyone is strong . . ."The complete version of "Morrigu's Prophecy" can be found on this page. End Quote. A Researcher's Question - refer back to book listed above: SourceDear people: i want to know if there are any dna comparisons between the oldest remains of people found in ireland and the people of today. i would like to see how the basic families are related in a cladistic tree. are you aware of any people doing this study. iwould like to see where i fit into the picture. thank you sincerely Miles (Request recieved by Anthony Murphy, M.I. via email) ~ Another Scholar's Response:Miles,
The man (sorry I don't kow his name) who wrote a series of TV programmes called 'The Atlantean' (shown on RT? a few years ago) has now written an updated book about the subject, the term 'Atlantean' is in the title. I heard a radio interview with him while I was driving the car, that is why my information is so minimal. He had recently had access to DNA data regarding the ancient people of Ireland. From what I remember he said that the Irish were a happy mix of people and that the gene pool had not changed greatly over thousands of years. Sorry I couldn't remember more. Maybe someone else heard that interview too or remembers the author's name.
Anne-Marie **** Information about the Aes Dana (Aes Dyna) ideas on virtues can be found in the triads and in other maxims such as this: "every person is better than their birth." An interesting percentage of our legal concepts can also be traced back to these people. Ideas like precedence, eric or compensation fine like dire fine or honor-price, anad or stay of one or more days on an act of distress (civil seizure or forfeiture), contracts involving material forfeiture, the cuinal or price paid for release from bondage, and standards of sovereignty including ideas like the lowest clansman standing legally on equal footing with the greatest leaders (even kings). Reminant technologies can be expressed mythologically with relation to the Great Virtues in things such as the story of the Brehon Morann, son of Carbery Knncat (king of Ireland in the first century), who wore a sin (sheen) or collar round his neck, which tightened when he delivered a false judgement, and expanded again when he gave a true one. This is the backstory to what Dan is describing about the history of the term "Happiness" and how it wormed it's way into the Constitution... there is one more piece to the puzzle...especially if a little bird were to mention that the names of those who participated in the Laconia Colony and who were abandoned my George Mason's wife and victim of the Dispute over the Charter, were more than a little altered for the sake of privacy and relief from those who wished the old culture permanently eradicated, because it was the only competition to certain unrevealed behind the scenes power of those days....ah but they failed AND ...what's more, the certain few Founders kept their promise to never print or speak of where and to what extent they learned more of some the concepts which live in the Constitution...is it any wonder Globalism hates it to this day? TWO PATHS to GLOBALISM...running side by side...one feudal, the other a template and a trust incubating for when a world might want or need it... there's always more to the story and once again they have help.... A finne tucadh claidhim Nuadad!Cy ~ You don't need hybrids to go where you've already gone.~ Mind is not limited by time, space (distance), or place.~ "If you inititiate a global calamity that has the dual purpose of population stablization 'er reduction and also parallel reasoning or justification that you are forcing a wide swath of the population to make the evolutionary leap to non-corporeal more complex existence, think again...that's not how evolution works...you will only find yourselves back at square one with few resouces, a severely damaged planet, and less complexity of the greater self. This has already happened once before...it didn't work then; it won't work now. Evolution is only to be found in the Pursuit of Excellence."
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 29, 2012 15:33:30 GMT -7
"virtue of character (ethikç aretç) and happiness (eudaimonia) is one of the central preoccupations of ancient ethics" (1)virtue of character (ethikç aretç) + happiness (eudaimonia) = The Pursuit of Excellence Another quote from reference above: "Eudaimonia" is a central concept in Aristotelian ethics and political philosophy, along with the terms "aretç", most often translated as "virtue" or "excellence", and "phronesis", often translated as "practical or moral wisdom." trace back Berla Feini: aon = excellent
gus = strength/energy Nicomachean Ethics, (1095a15–22) Aristotle Some of the Fir Bolg spent time in Greece just prior...they brought with them the concept of The Pursuit of Excellence. The Fir Bolg were Danann cousins who remained here rather than fleeing the planet after the war and earth cataclysms that destroyed a global civilization. They were reunited at recolonization when the Danann's returned opting for a post technological agrarian existence. A conflict of control of the land occured resulting in a series of two & three-way battles in the current historys call Moytura. Fomhoire: another group who had remained behind and had lingering genetic damage resulting in physical deformities from the global war. The primary solution beyond the division of lands was intermarriage. This can assist in understanding why many well known characters in history and geneologies have women with multiple husbands, men with multiple wives, and children with confusing family ties due to the additional practice of fostering (comhaltai). This is fyi for info on where the concept comes from and for anyone wishing to follow it once again forward through Aristotle. extra reference: The Atlantean Irish: Ireland's Oriental and Maritime Heritage by Bob Quinn, The Lilliput Press, Paperback , 2004QUOTE: Another Squire quote says: "What is probably the earliest account tells us that they [Tuatha De Danann] came from the sky. Later versions, however, give them a habitation upon Earth - some say in the north, others in the "southern isles of the world". . . . Whether the Tuatha De Danann came from earth or heaven, they landed in a dense cloud upon the coast of Ireland on the mystic first of May [Bealtaine] without having been opposed, or even noticed by . . . the Fir Bolgs." This strain was uttered by the Morrigan and Badb, from the tops of the high mountains of Ireland, after the defeat of the Fomorians in the second battle of Moytura: "Peace Mounts to the Heavens, The Heavens descend to Earth, Earth lies under the heavens, Everyone is strong . . ."The complete version of "Morrigu's Prophecy" can be found on this page. End Quote. A Researcher's Question - refer back to book listed above: SourceDear people: i want to know if there are any dna comparisons between the oldest remains of people found in ireland and the people of today. i would like to see how the basic families are related in a cladistic tree. are you aware of any people doing this study. iwould like to see where i fit into the picture. thank you sincerely Miles (Request recieved by Anthony Murphy, M.I. via email) ~ Another Scholar's Response:Miles,
The man (sorry I don't kow his name) who wrote a series of TV programmes called 'The Atlantean' (shown on RT? a few years ago) has now written an updated book about the subject, the term 'Atlantean' is in the title. I heard a radio interview with him while I was driving the car, that is why my information is so minimal. He had recently had access to DNA data regarding the ancient people of Ireland. From what I remember he said that the Irish were a happy mix of people and that the gene pool had not changed greatly over thousands of years. Sorry I couldn't remember more. Maybe someone else heard that interview too or remembers the author's name.
Anne-Marie **** Information about the Aes Dana (Aes Dyna) ideas on virtues can be found in the triads and in other maxims such as this: "every person is better than their birth." An interesting percentage of our legal concepts can also be traced back to these people. Ideas like precedence, eric or compensation fine like dire fine or honor-price, anad or stay of one or more days on an act of distress (civil seizure or forfeiture), contracts involving material forfeiture, the cuinal or price paid for release from bondage, and standards of sovereignty including ideas like the lowest clansman standing legally on equal footing with the greatest leaders (even kings). Reminant technologies can be expressed mythologically with relation to the Great Virtues in things such as the story of the Brehon Morann, son of Carbery Knncat (king of Ireland in the first century), who wore a sin (sheen) or collar round his neck, which tightened when he delivered a false judgement, and expanded again when he gave a true one. This is the backstory to what Dan is describing about the history of the term "Happiness" and how it wormed it's way into the Constitution... there is one more piece to the puzzle...especially if a little bird were to mention that the names of those who participated in the Laconia Colony and who were abandoned my George Mason's wife and victim of the Dispute over the Charter, were more than a little altered for the sake of privacy and relief from those who wished the old culture permanently eradicated, because it was the only competition to certain unrevealed behind the scenes power of those days....ah but they failed AND ...what's more, the certain few Founders kept their promise to never print or speak of where and to what extent they learned more of some the concepts which live in the Constitution...is it any wonder Globalism hates it to this day? TWO PATHS to GLOBALISM...running side by side...one feudal, the other a template and a trust incubating for when a world might want or need it... there's always more to the story and once again they have help.... A finne tucadh claidhim Nuadad!Cy ~ You don't need hybrids to go where you've already gone.~ Mind is not limited by time, space (distance), or place.~ "If you inititiate a global calamity that has the dual purpose of population stablization 'er reduction and also parallel reasoning or justification that you are forcing a wide swath of the population to make the evolutionary leap to non-corporeal more complex existence, think again...that's not how evolution works...you will only find yourselves back at square one with few resouces, a severely damaged planet, and less complexity of the greater self. This has already happened once before...it didn't work then; it won't work now. Evolution is only to be found in the Pursuit of Excellence." I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. I did Philip Cafaro 25 not wish to live what was not life, living is so dear; nor did I wish to practice resignation, unless it was quite necessary. I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life . . . to know it by experience, and be able to give a true account of it in my next excursion. (90-91)THOREAUSeparation to initiate the "quiet mind" which enables introspection and "higher-self" connection. the old ways of learning embraced A life without purpose, meaning, and improvement is not a life; it is mere existance and that is not something of value for it has no virtues. the embodiment of Potential begins with life and living. It is the foundation upon which Excellence rests and is engaged. this the despondancy which caused the reminants of the aes dana to disband and allow the children to be absorbed into the umbrella culture in the late sixties early seventies; the culmination of long private conversations on dissatisfaction with the course of the world... This is the pursuit of excellence...through experience. Three purposes for the return of Souls to the world: to collect into the Soul the properties of ALL BEING, to aquire knowledge of ALL THINGS, and to aquire the power to OVERCOME CHAOS.This is the Revolution of Lifetimes. A series of lifetimes in which experiences under 'controlled conditions' contribute to the evolution of complexity in the Soul leading to improvement; Excellence - culminating in eventual evolution in BEING.
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Post by sparky on Jan 29, 2012 18:37:51 GMT -7
Dan, "Why did you run off secretly and deceive me? Why didn’t you tell me, so I could send you away with joy and singing to the music of timbrels and harps?" Genesis 31:26-28 noR he be lost from his children, hate fumes from the breath of angels, round two, but He never forgets those who destroy the innocent.
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Post by dan on Jan 30, 2012 10:23:05 GMT -7
We can run, but we can't hide.
Cy,
The BPWH splits the difference between the cyclical pantheism and the linear theism, by adopting a circuitous model of history. In this model, Atlantis is both our future and our past. Noah's ark is the time machine that links the Alpha and Omega of our history. This is also the Ouroboros biting its own tail.
In particular, there could be twelve Atlantises, scattered around the globe......
Seen as our future, these are the twelve remnant megalopolises, each of twelve million inhabitants. These are also our towers of Babel, where we prepare for the post-Millennial Exodus/Rapture via the twelve Motherships. This is the model of our best possible future.
Seen as our past, these are our twelve primordial megalithic sites, to each of which, twelve thousand return/descend, as from Noah's Ark. Note bene, that this is a circuit, not a cycle. There is just this best possible circuit that comprises our best possible history.
There are various ways that one might elaborate on this basic circuit design of Creation. There could, for instance, be a chthonian/indigenous remnant of humanity, which provides a continuity with the rest of the flora and fauna. This remnant could be identified historically with a Neanderthal type.
By artfully combing these two simple typologies of time, God manages to conceal the truth, until the Revelation/Disclosure that inaugurates the Millennial kingdom/FWO, final world order, which, on this version, consists of twelve compartments or Mansions.
It all depends, Cy, on whether we wish to have the protection of, or recourse to, a Creator. Or, to put it another way, do we wish to have souls that have a cosmic connection?
The concept of a best possible world coheres only with a benign Creator. This includes the necessity that we humans comprise the better part of this being, as we may be likened unto the braincells of this being, once we achieve a spiritual alignment.
A personal Creation must also be Self-contained. Yes, Heaven is infinite/transcendent. Creation is the vestibule of Heaven, which is Eternity. We ought not to confuse these two realms. We must know where our treasure lies.
Every spiritual tradition recognizes the tension between the temporal and the eternal, but only Xianity is able to celebrate it. We celebrate it in our oft repeated cosmic Communion, as visible in our empty tomb. Only we have the divinity of our flesh, the tri-unity of our being. That is our triumph.
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Sparky..... Are you hiding? From what do you hide? Or are you just your brother's keeper. Have you nothing better? ----------
So, Cy, where is your home? Is it down here or up there? Yes, Creation does have an eternal aspect, but that is only from God's perspective. It is not from our mortal perspective. You can't get to the eternity of Creation, except by way of Heaven. Only then will we know our eternal selves, for the first time.
And, if truth be known, there are no eternal selves.... there is only the eternal Self. Best not be selfish, lest we find ourselves estranged from the Selfish. I think that is what Kant and Plato were striving to understand. That tension is the backbone of Creation.
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Post by sparky on Jan 30, 2012 11:22:02 GMT -7
At 18 our convictions are hills from which we look; At 45 they are caves in which we hide. F. Scott Fitzgerald
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Post by skaizlimit on Jan 30, 2012 21:11:22 GMT -7
A. MOAB is a place in Utah frequented by rock crawlers. B. One's age is subject to one's mind. C. Wonder is awesome.
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Post by dan on Jan 31, 2012 7:39:11 GMT -7
Let me explain....... Each of our lives it written in eternity, as is Creation, itself. If we truly understood this, each of us would suffer from terminal stage fright. The problem is to not take it too personally. We have to look at it from God's POV, while keeping in mind that salvation is universal, even collective. In the best possible world, most lives will be much less than ideal. That is, perhaps, the hardest of the truths. Where is the justice in that? It's all about the greater good? God is the end all of Selfishness. Each of, on occasion, will try to one up God, but the deck is stacked against us. Get over it. Yes, spiritually minded folk seem to agree on one thing.... Creation is about the postponement of gratification. Get over it? Well, it would make life a lot easier, if we could get over it. Why doesn't God help us to get over it? God wants us to stew in our own juices? It does seem rather like that! God is the great meat Tenderizer! Well, and it is about the Disclosure package..... Once we've seen Paris, it's gonna be real hard to get back down on the farm. Then we'll know for sure about the cosmic injustice, between Creator and Creation. Then we'll pine for the good ol' bad days of our cosmic innocence. But, wait, the big thing about Xianity is God's Self-sacrificing nature. Didn't he give up his most precious, for all the rest of us Children? God could stay Abraham's hand, but who could stay God's? Are we all that precious? Is that what we have to look forward to, on the other side? Sacrificing our most precious? Isn't that the greatest agony in the world.... watching your child suffer? It does give one.. pause. Why not just erase the suffering? No can do... Creation is of a Piece. It is a work of art.. in the End. Have you seen the Mill and the Cross? We saw it last night. A work of art, surely! Much deeper than The Passion, actually, just because it gets half way to providing a god's eye view.... the Millright. In the painting itself, Jesus is invisible. It even reminds me a bit of Hamlet's Mill. Give me a fulcrum, and I'll move the world. God is a circle whose center is everywhere, and circumference is nowhere... now here... Yes and no. Brueghel explains this, better than most. It may be the one enduring mystery, and he honors that mystery. Can't get over it. This will be the last thing that any ufologist will ever understand, but the old lady in the Cathedral, dressed in black, knows, with every last breath. Can you bring yourself to understand this, Cy? Do I pick on the ufologists? Nah....! Do they hold the key to the mystery? Yah....! I knew that there was a truth in The Life of Brian, but I just couldn't put my finger on it. Brueghel puts his brush right in the middle of it. Can we honor that? ----------- Well, if truth be known, and, if there is a key to be held, I have to give credence to the SfA, bless their hearts. I know the key is there, somewhere, but, as with Brian, I can't put my finger on it. Where is Brueghel when we need him? Where is my dad's army pilot..... I knew it [the Azores] had to be out there, somewhere..... WWJD is the key, but how to get a handle on it? Where is the lock, exactly.....? Hmmm.......... Maybe Dr. V can help me analyze the situation, on Friday. [BTW, Cy, the background image of CM looks a lot like a final image from Melancholia, with the usual planets superimposed. It certainly is apocalyptic. No?] Understand that there is a trinity at SfA.... John, David and Bill, respectively. So the lever must be with either Bill or David.... or maybe both. No, it's got to be all three. It has a lot to do with... Hurry, Lord. And the credit crunch. Speaking of which, I meant to send these links to Sam.... www.amazon.com/Age-Austerity-Scarcity-American-ebook/dp/B0050DIX2E www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/opinion/brooks-the-great-divorce.html?ref=opinion 1:30-------- Sparky....... And who is chasing whom? Does Dan chase the CIA, or does the CIA chase Dan? I don't suppose the latter possibility ever crossed your mind. 4:15----------- GFC is given neither to prosperity nor austerity. Scarcity, however, has not quite crossed their radar screens..... Oh, me of little faith! Am I just a survivalist trying to prepare for the Tribulation? Do I have no faith in the Rapture? And what about those other folks, who might not be totally Rapture-ready? What can we do for them? Look, it is a very big deal about our not knowing the day and the hour....... Yes, this is the key. Read it very carefully. This is not just about Israel and Judea, now is it? There are bigger fish to fry, and, yes, sports fans, it seems to have something to do with the SoT. Mercy, me. Am I ready to run with this? Almost. What will Dr. V think? What would you do? Would you walk away? Would you face the music? We can run, but can we hide? We tried that once, back when, but it didn't work, then. We do like to think that we are in control of our own bailiwicks. It can be very painful to wake up to the fact that we are not. Who let in that dog with the muddy paws? Would someone, please, keep him of the sofa! Been there... done that.... .
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Post by sparky on Jan 31, 2012 10:47:28 GMT -7
Ah, but from a poor soul chasing a demented monster with losses never able to be replaced; indeed . . . "Yahweh said to Cain, "Where is Abel, your brother?" He said, "I don't know. Am I my brother's keeper?" Genesis 4
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Post by rpm on Jan 31, 2012 16:46:47 GMT -7
...here's the thing about the 'my brother's keeper' that bugs me. The word is also translated elsewhere as 'shepherd'. Now I don't know about you, but I am not my brother's shepherd. And the response of God is never a clear affirmation, he doesn't give Cain a direct response to that question. I think the understanding we've come up with is valid. We are supposed to care for each other. But.... a shepherd is above the sheep. A shepherd decides whether or not to leave the 99 behind in order to search for the one that was lost. That's the power of life or death. ...just a couple of cents.
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Post by dan on Jan 31, 2012 20:19:43 GMT -7
Rpm,
Well, Jesus did perform as our Shepherd. And he will not abide by the loss of any stray sheep.
It is very clear that the Spirit of Truth will witness to the truth to the entire world. That has not yet happened, and it will happen before the Final Judgment.
Can there be any question about this End? No, there can be no question.
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Post by sparky on Jan 31, 2012 20:47:22 GMT -7
"Joshua commanded them with an oath at that time, saying, "Cursed be the man before Yahweh, who rises up and builds this city Jericho. With the loss of his firstborn shall he lay its foundation, and with the loss of his youngest son shall he set up its gates." Joshua 6
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Post by dan on Feb 1, 2012 11:06:39 GMT -7
Well, gosh, we did lose Louise, yesterday. It was almost dark when she set out from Larry's house, her neighbor. She was in good spirits, telling him about who she had seen in town. She walked up to the ridge behind his house, where she usually leaves either her four-wheeler or snowmobile for the 25 min run back down to her ranch, passing through the Forrest gate, and then through her gate. She calls Ben before she leaves, and she calls Larry, when she gets home. She didn't call. Ben, Larry, two other neighbors and the Sheriff coverged on the four-wheeler at about the same time. The motor was still running, it was snowing, and she had fallen off, into the snow bank. She would have been 72 next month. A sudden stroke, evidently. She had become frail, but she hated the thought of having to sell the ranch. If she had her choice, this might have been it. I have talked to her almost every week, since our parents died. She was very much into UFO's and contact phenomena, as I have been relating, online, since when. She will be missed.
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