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Post by Mur on Jan 10, 2012 19:16:44 GMT -7
Please....you got duped by a car salesman.
He put himself in that position, not me.
Would you turn a blind eye to lies?
Would you cover up the truth?
No...you would not.
How could you expect that I would?
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Post by Mur on Jan 10, 2012 19:19:47 GMT -7
That reply was to Cy and not JR Please....you got duped by a car salesman. He put himself in that position, not me. Would you turn a blind eye to lies? Would you cover up the truth? No...you would not. How could you expect that I would? |
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Post by a99 on Jan 10, 2012 19:22:03 GMT -7
Cy won't be back till either later on this evening or tomorrow morning Mur. Just letting you know.  |
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Post by Mur on Jan 10, 2012 19:23:24 GMT -7
Dove, if you did a little research of your own out on the net, you might see that it's quite possible some here are not talking because it would cause additional embarrassment to Bren. It is possible that "some" are not talking for that, nib. But such a thought would arise within them, based upon an incorrect presumption of the maturity of Bren's personal pride. People with a positive self esteem and self awareness, are not overly concerned with their personal pride. Bren would be in this category. For those who know Bren well enough to know his personal intents and motivations, who would then portend to refrain talking about the situation in order to help save Bren from embarrassment for humanitarian reasons, are deluding themselves and others. Most often in these cases, they project this in order to deflect any embarrassment in themselves. Hopefully this rumor was projected by people who don't really know Bren well enough, and thus err in their assessment. And are simply unaware of, or are lacking understanding of, the complexity of the relationships involved. I think you are wrong about Bren. He never has admitted to any mistakes ever publicly on the board. That's out of whack with your assessment. |
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Post by Mur on Jan 10, 2012 19:24:37 GMT -7
Cy won't be back till either later on this evening or tomorrow morning Mur. Just letting you know. Thanks |
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Post by Former OMF member on Jan 10, 2012 19:36:03 GMT -7
It is possible that "some" are not talking for that, nib. But such a thought would arise within them, based upon an incorrect presumption of the maturity of Bren's personal pride. People with a positive self esteem and self awareness, are not overly concerned with their personal pride. Bren would be in this category. For those who know Bren well enough to know his personal intents and motivations, who would then portend to refrain talking about the situation in order to help save Bren from embarrassment for humanitarian reasons, are deluding themselves and others. Most often in these cases, they project this in order to deflect any embarrassment in themselves. Hopefully this rumor was projected by people who don't really know Bren well enough, and thus err in their assessment. And are simply unaware of, or are lacking understanding of, the complexity of the relationships involved. I think you are wrong about Bren. He never has admitted to any mistakes ever publicly on the board. That's out of whack with your assessment. Hi Mur; Agreed. The perception of success of OMF has got the better of Bren. He is egoistic, proud and don't allow any opposition which he would mercilessly put down...just witnessed how he instituted the bans of members who disagreed with him. Since those Co-Admins left, Bren withdrew himself into a high tower and tried to disrupt the threads by devious means until the complaints had reach astronomical proportion to Proboards which must act at once. The demise of OMF with 6,600 members should rest on the shoulders of Bren...he wrecked the organization which he nurtured. Bren is now licking his wounds and cursing all but himself. Though I am critical, but I am telling the truth about Bren. |
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Post by a99 on Jan 10, 2012 19:44:38 GMT -7
Welcome "Former OMF Member"! Although not all here are in agreement with you on that, we have set up this sub-forum for former members to express their views on the demise of OMF. Thanks for stopping by!
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Post by a99 on Jan 10, 2012 19:56:54 GMT -7
Allergy shots for ten years...I'm allergic to nothing. No sneezing....but shot is pouring out of me and down my throat No chest issues, no temp...minor scratchy throat...probably from snot Trying Mucinex for now Thanks for being nice Not to worry Mur, the entire east coast is gradually getting this extremely disgusting nasty head cold that nothing but time works on. Count on at least two weeks of feeling like crap! Being tired , especially after eating and coughing your arse off! Whew- I'm finally through it! NASTY!!!!!!!!!!!! SNOT! EWWWWWWWWWW.. lol Hope no one is eating dinner and getting caught up over here.. ;D Oh gee, if it's on the west coast today, it will be on the east coast tomorrow. Thanks for the warning nib! Will make sure to stay out of elevators whenever possible! |
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Post by a99 on Jan 10, 2012 20:36:09 GMT -7
Dan, Please check you PM's here. I've sent you information about your new sub-forum and, if you have not already seen it, the url for it. thanks, linda  |
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Post by nibs on Jan 10, 2012 22:29:03 GMT -7
@99 - I don't think there is any way of avoiding the nasty head cold that my heart goes out to Mur for only being in the early stages of. Just nasty.... And the cough that follows the "itchy" throat that Mur mentioned.. Ohyyy... Stay strong Mur.. ------------------------------------------------------ Jake- Nice to talk to you again! lol, umm I personally have little compassion for Bren. I mean, a 17 day ban on me for posting a cartoon picture of George bush?  ? PHHHlease........... He did that himself. Not sure about my final banning shortly before Fore started getting banned left and right. Ummmmm maybe a week or two prior? Did I deserve that? Probably- as I was not so nice to Magfrey who continuously disrupted ScaRZ thread- but even you had your say on many occasions about why it was allowed to continue. As I recall you felt the same frustration I did. Face it Jake- Leaders Lead. Bren was not around at all after Source A crashed. What happened in between the lines- we may never know- but he is a leader who rules with an iron fist- when there?? And his way or the highway??? Well ... Thank you Garuda for even noticing my 17 day ban.. lol Also Thank you Garuda for attempting to get me back on board after my one last comment to Magfrey on ScaRZ thread. Whatever. No axe to grind- as a matter of fact I do apologize to Magfrey for that comment. I was just having a bad day and found his aliens are god mindset out of context of the current conversation. But lets face it Jake- You stepped down as a co- administrator due to a dispute between you and Bren regarding ETH/ Christianity ?? How commendable! Yet Bren cares not for Christians. We all know that! He's been very clear about that. Of course ETH is no longer here to tell his side of that story but I bet ScaRZ knows about it... Hmmmm. Jake, I'm not attempting to tick you off- just letting the "truth" so many are asking about come to fruition. Bren is no HERO / Leader. At best he's paranoid as hell and that comes from an "outsider" just looking in perspective. Too many socks. Too many past problems with RU, With ATS and who knows what else. And now he's gonna open up yet another cattle call? Alright enough for now.............. Please Bren- defend yourself. Your paranoid state of mind is most curious to many. |
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Post by nibs on Jan 10, 2012 22:53:50 GMT -7
Also, I'm not certain why there are all these accusations of "Archie" being Bren floating around. Seems very obvious at least to me who this person is. Last I checked he was banned from omf quite some time ago and ended up posting on RU. Clever little fella as I recall. Only I can't quite recall his user name at omf. Had his own blog. Experienced Christ through some village in who knows where. That's until it became commercialized. Good writer.. Love love Love.. Makes the world go round...
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Post by mdonnall2002 on Jan 11, 2012 1:18:35 GMT -7
Not sure about my final banning shortly before Fore started getting banned left and right. Ummmmm maybe a week or two prior? Did I deserve that? Probably- as I was not so nice to Magfrey who continuously disrupted ScaRZ thread- but even you had your say on many occasions about why it was allowed to continue. As I recall you felt the same frustration I did. Also Thank you Garuda for attempting to get me back on board after my one last comment to Magfrey on ScaRZ thread. Whatever. No axe to grind- as a matter of fact I do apologize to Magfrey for that comment. I was just having a bad day and found his aliens are god mindset out of context of the current conversation. It's nice to see you come full circle. I applaud you for admitting your were slightly out of line in the manner in which you approached it. If only we could all learn these lessons in quicker fashion.... |
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Post by Cyrellys on Jan 11, 2012 2:08:11 GMT -7
Good Morning all! A powerful phrase to salute the oncoming day: When a great ship is in harbor and moored, it is safe, there can be no doubt. But that is not what great ships are built for.Clarissa Pinkola Estes, Ph.D Author of the best seller Women Who Run with the Wolves Read the rest of the piece here: compassmorainn.webs.com/whoweare.htmI can speak from experience that it is very easy to say you would operate leadership of a forum this way or that way under different conditions, but until one has done it, you may find it is nowhere as easy as a person might imagine... The cataclysm that overtook OMF would have been a chore for a full and established team of Admins & mods, I think from what I saw. No one was equipped at the time to face the problems. Quote Nibs: Please Bren- defend yourself. Your paranoid state of mind is most curious to many. I offer the following on communication for your consideration..... On Communicating:
Fear of Self-Disclosure
In a society that discourages the expression of emotions, revealing them can seem risky. For a parent, boss, or teacher whose life has been built on the image of confidence and certainty, it may be frightening to say, "I'm sorry. I was wrong." A person who has made a life's work out of not relying on others has a hard time saying, "I'm lonesome. I want your friendship."
Moreover, someone who musters up the courage to share feelings such as these still risks unpleasant consequences. Others might misunderstand: An expression of affection might be construed as a romantic invitation, and a confession of uncertainty might look like a sign of weakness. Another risk is that emotional honesty might make others feel uncomfortable. Finally there's always a risk that emotional honesty could be used against you, either out of cruelty or thoughtlessness.
Emotional Contagion.
Cultural rules and social roles aren't the only factors that affect our feelings. Our emotions are also influenced by the feelings of those around us through emotional contagion: the process by which emotions are transferred from one person to another.
Aristotle's Golden MeanAlmost two and a half millennia ago, the philosopher Aristotle addressed issues that are just as important today as they were in classical Greece. In his Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle examines the question of "moral virtue": What constitutes good behavior and what ways of acting enable us to function effectively in the world? One important part of his examination addresses the management and expression of emotion: what he defines as "passions and actions". According to Aristotle, an important dimension of virtuous behavior is moderation, which he defines as "an intermediate between excess and deficit...equidistant from the extremes...neither too much nor too little." Aristotle introduces the concept of virtue through moderation with a mathematical analogy: If ten is many and two is few, then six is intermediate. Applying this line of reasoning to emotional expression would reveal that, for example, the preferred form of expressing affection would fall equally between being completely unexpressive and passionately animated. Aristotle points out that a formulaic approach to calculating the "golden mean" doesn't work in human affairs by illustrating the flaws in his mathematical analogy: "If ten pounds are too much for a particular person to eat and two too little, it does not follow that the trainer will order six pounds, for this also is perhaps too much for the person who is to take it." In other words, Aristotle recognizes that people have different personalities; and he acknowledges that it isn't realistic or desirable for a passionate person to strive for the same type of behavior as a dispassionate person. After all a world in which everyone felt and acted identically would be boring. Instead of a "one approach fits all" approach to emotional expression, Aristotle urges communicators to moderate their own style, to be "intermediate not in the object, but relative to us." Following Aristotle's injunction, a person with a hot temper would strive to cool down, whereas a person who rarely expresses his or her feelings ought to aim at becoming more expressive. The result would still be two people with different styles, but each of whom behaved better than before seeking the golden mean. Excerpt from Emotions: Thinking, Feeling, and Communicating - author unspecified.An emotion without social rules of containment and expression is like an egg without a shell: a gooey mess. ~ Carol Tavris In what way might our relationships change if we acted more moderately?How do we develop an approach to be certain that the recipient of any given message, where we are communicating our feelings, is ready to hear us out before we begin? I'm asking questions like this to entice members to consider how we can offer or design responsible ways to express our concerns, feelings, and requests for assistance on problems. I personally am not in the camp that might say members should not express what they think or feel on any given thing...but I'm curious if as a community, communication methods can be better developed to be both less offending and more effective with each other. What ways or suggestions can members here offer in solving this problem themselves? |
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Post by Mur on Jan 11, 2012 7:02:26 GMT -7
It's just an internet chat room.
Let's not make it more complicated than it needs to be.
If you want communication....why censor it?
Moderation is based on the opinions of those doing the moderation.
It's unavoidable that the shaping of the discussion takes place.
People should be free to express their opinions.
AT OMF...they were not
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Post by a99 on Jan 11, 2012 8:02:56 GMT -7
It's just an internet chat room. Let's not make it more complicated than it needs to be. If you want communication....why censor it? Moderation is based on the opinions of those doing the moderation. It's unavoidable that the shaping of the discussion takes place. People should be free to express their opinions. AT OMF...they were not I think that one of the things Cy has pointed out is that when it comes to moderation on forums, the best way is the middle way and this seems to be the law of the universe too for most things when you think about it. Forum moderation is like an arch where each end represents one extreme and the other. If we aim for the top of the arch, which is also the middle of the continuum between over moderation and no moderation at all, only then will that arch remain tall, upright and balanced enough so that it does not topple over. And here we are talking about having a forum comprised of people who not only have opposing opinions on various topics and issues but also people who differ in personality and temperament. This is when only a type of moderation that aims for the middle way works. ---------------------------------------------------------- Anyway, as it is right now, most forums only cater to people who are all birds of the same feather in terms of their viewpoints on those topics covered in Ufology. Consequently, as a result of this, such forums are too one-sided because they lack the input of alternative and opposing views that might facilitate its members in resolving those important issues that are discussed in those forums. As long as it stays this way, the field of Ufology will never make any real headway in finding those real answers to those important questions that may lead us to the TRUTH... and that's the long and the short of it. |
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